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Jason Snell joins the show to discuss the state of e-readers, why dedicated reading devices still beat the iPad, and whether Kindle or Kobo is the better ecosystem today. We also dive into libraries, physical books, note-taking devices, and color e-ink.

Family trips!

In order to proceed with the extraction, John has needed to evolve his approach.

Myke compliments Federico, and Stephen has gone down a rabbit hole with Casey Liss leading the way. Also: Apple continues to adjust its Mac lineup as the memory crisis drags on, and the guys have some jobs for John.

Android Show is next week, what will we learn? Google's DeepMind workers overseas are taking action against the company's military AI contracts.