Road to the Trials

• Andrew Bowman: Two Marathons in Three Weeks and Still Dreaming Bigger

  Matt Chittim and co-host Peter Bromka sit down with marathoner and coach Andrew Bowman, a new dad who has already punched his ticket to the 2028 Trials. Andrew talks about qualifying again this fall after a tough weather day at Detroit Free Press, turning around quickly to race Indy Monumental, and how he and his wife, marathon standout Sydney Devore, support each other through parenting, coaching, and big racing goals. He shares what he learned from his DNF at the 2024 Trials in Orlando, how he thinks about training as both an athlete and coach, and why he is still dreaming about sub 14 for 5K while chasing the next marathon breakthrough.This episode is sponsored by V.O2, the coaching platform built on Dr. Jack Daniels’ proven training science. V.O2 gives coaches and athletes calibrated training paces, individualized planning tools, and team management features that help users train more accurately, improve performance, and reduce injuries. Listeners can find V.O2 in the app stores and at https://www.vdoto2.com. Save 20 percent with the code “roadtothetrials”.

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• Race Week in Sacramento: 2025 CIM Preview

  Lindsey Hein, Matt Chittim, and Peter Bromka sit down for a California International Marathon preview as CIM hosts the USATF Marathon Championships. They break down the top storylines on the men’s and women’s sides, talk about who might contend for the win, who is chasing OTQs, and what to expect from the Road to the Trials live shows at the expo.They also share some CIM history, favorite athlete storylines, and why this year’s field is so deep from front to back.This episode is sponsored by V.O2, the coaching platform built on Dr. Jack Daniels’ proven training science. V.O2 gives coaches and athletes calibrated training paces, individualized planning tools, and team management features that help users train more accurately, improve performance, and reduce injuries. Listeners can find V.O2 in the app stores and at https://www.vdoto2.com. Save 20 percent with the code “roadtothetrials”.This episode is also sponsored by OS1st Socks, an official partner of the California International Marathon. OS1st creates performance socks with purpose, built for runners who pay attention to the details that matter on race day. Their designs blend blister protection, moisture-wicking fabric, antimicrobial technology, targeted cushioning, and light compression, all while allowing natural toe splay to support the fit and function of modern racing shoes. OS1st is trusted by specialty running stores nationwide and is one of the fastest-growing sock brands in run specialty. From performance socks to compression sleeves, every product is engineered to reduce discomfort, support healthy movement, and help runners train hard and recover well. Find your local retailer at os1st.com/trials. And in true Matt Chittim fashion, he’s still wearing his first pair from five years ago — so if you spot him out on the run, feel free to compliment his socks.

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• Lucy Dobbs: Powered by Working Man’s Track Club and a 2:32 in Indy

  In this episode, Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka catch up with newly qualified athlete Lucy Dobbs, who ran a standout 2:32 at the CNO Financial Indianapolis Monumental Marathon, taking second place and earning a four-minute personal best. Lucy shares how she approached race day in Indianapolis, what clicked for her in training, and why Monumental has been home to several breakthrough moments in her career. This will be her second Olympic Trials, after first qualifying in 2023 with a 2:36 performance at the same race.Lucy talks about balancing training with her full-time job as an actuary at OneAmerica Financial, her experience running with Working Man’s Track Club, and the structure and support that help her chase big goals while working full time. She also gives a glimpse into her life outside of running, including her love of horses and her involvement in competitive equestrian events. This conversation highlights the multidimensional life she leads and the discipline that makes her success possible both on and off the roads.This episode is presented by V.O2, the coaching platform built on Dr. Jack Daniels’ proven training science. V.O2 gives coaches and athletes calibrated training paces, individualized planning tools, and team management features that help users train more accurately, improve performance, and reduce injuries. Listeners can find V.O2 in the app stores and at https://www.vdoto2.com. Save 20 percent with the code “roadtothetrials”.

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• The Marathon Wolverine: Joe Whelan’s Relentless Racing Schedule

  Road to the Trials brings on marathon workhorse Joe Whelan, also known on this episode as “The Marathon Wolverine.” Joe digs into what it looks like to be incredibly durable in the marathon, as Joe has already raced Berlin, Boston, Grandma’s, Austin, and Indianapolis Monumental in 2025, with California International Marathon circled as his true A-race.Joe shares how he thinks about stacking marathons in a single year, how he bounces back so quickly, and what he is targeting at CIM and beyond as he looks toward the 2028 Olympic Marathon Trials. He also reflects on his roots in upstate New York, his time running for Syracuse University, and the mindset that keeps him excited and hungry after so many 26.2 mile efforts.This episode is sponsored by V.O2, the coaching platform built on Dr. Jack Daniels’ proven training science. V.O2 gives coaches and athletes calibrated training paces, individualized planning tools, and team management features that help users train more accurately, improve performance, and reduce injuries. Listeners can find V.O2 in the app stores and at https://www.vdoto2.com. Save 20 percent with the code “roadtothetrials”.

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• Your Official 2025 CIM Course Preview with Brendan Gregg, Course Director

  In this special Road to the Trials episode, Peter Bromka and Matt Chittim team up with Brendan Gregg, the Course Director of the California International Marathon and a former CIM champion, for the ultimate 2025 race preview.Brendan brings insider knowledge from both sides of the barriers: years of experience designing and refining the course, and firsthand insight as an elite athlete who has mastered it himself. Together, the trio walks listeners through every key detail of race weekend — from boarding the buses on race morning to navigating the final miles into Sacramento.Over the episode, Peter, Matt, and Brendan break down:What runners should expect at the start, including timing, logistics, and what actually matters in those early minutes before the gunHow to approach pacing over CIM’s rolling terrain, where to stay patient, and where to open upStrategy differences for first-timers, OTQ chasers, negative-splitters, and anyone trying to survive that long descent into the cityCourse features that matter more than people think — and the ones that don’tHow to stay composed in the final 10K and set up a strong, efficient finish on the streets of SacramentoPeter also shares lessons from racing CIM five times, giving runners an honest sense of the effort, rhythm, and mental checkpoints that define the race.Whether you’re racing for a PR, an OTQ, or the joy of a fast December marathon, this is the comprehensive course breakdown you’ll want in your pocket.This episode is sponsored by V.O2, the coaching platform built on Dr. Jack Daniels’ proven training science. V.O2 gives coaches and athletes calibrated training paces, individualized planning tools, and team management features that help users train more accurately, improve performance, and reduce injuries. Listeners can find V.O2 in the app stores and at https://www.vdoto2.com. Save 20 percent with the code “roadtothetrials”.This episode is also sponsored by OS1st Socks, an official partner of the California International Marathon. OS1st creates performance socks with purpose, built for runners who pay attention to the details that matter on race day. Their designs blend blister protection, moisture-wicking fabric, antimicrobial technology, targeted cushioning, and light compression, all while allowing natural toe splay to support the fit and function of modern racing shoes. OS1st is trusted by specialty running stores nationwide and is one of the fastest-growing sock brands in run specialty. From performance socks to compression sleeves, every product is engineered to reduce discomfort, support healthy movement, and help runners train hard and recover well. Find your local retailer at os1st.com/trials. And in true Matt Chittim fashion, he’s still wearing his first pair from five years ago — so if you spot him out on the run, feel free to compliment his socks.

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