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00:40 — How do I respect a leader I don’t respect or trust?
15:21 — How do I solve problems aggressively without being out of control?
27:22 — Should I keep pursuing more responsibility if it’s making work stressful?
38:55 — How do I stay calm when my kids are melting down?
54:38 — How important is competing in Jiu-Jitsu, and is it worth the injury risk?

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Twenty years after Navy SEAL Marc Lee was killed in Ramadi, his mother Debbie “Mama Lee” Lee joins Jocko and Echo to reflect on grief, faith, brotherhood, and the legacy Marc left behind. They discuss the work of America’s Mighty Warriors, helping veterans heal from the invisible wounds of war, supporting Gold Star families, and turning unimaginable loss into a mission to help others.

00:00 – 20 Years Since Mark Lee’s Death
Mama Lee reflects on losing Mark, faith, grief, and the extraordinary legacy that has grown from his sacrifice.
14:40 – Mama Lee Returns
Debbie Lee joins Jocko and Echo to reflect on the Task Unit Bruiser reunion and seeing Mark’s teammates together again after 20 years.
25:12 – Brotherhood Forged in Ramadi
Remembering fallen teammates, reconnecting with old friends, and why staying connected to the people who shared the experience matters.
35:22 – Random Acts of Kindness
How Mark’s final message inspired America’s Mighty Warriors to provide immediate help to veterans, military families, and others in crisis.
39:30 – Choosing to Keep Fighting Through Grief
Mama Lee describes the devastation of losing a child and the decision to turn that pain into purpose and service.
45:28 – You Won’t Feel Like This Forever
Jocko and Mama Lee discuss the overwhelming nature of grief, losing control of your emotions, and learning to ride the wave until you can move forward.
1:00:35 – Get It Out of Your Head
Why talking, writing, sharing stories, and connecting with others can help process pain instead of allowing it to grow darker inside.
1:12:40 – Healing the Invisible Wounds of War
Mama Lee explains Helping Heroes Heal, traumatic brain injuries, blast exposure, sleep problems, suicide, and the veterans whose lives have been changed through treatment.
1:26:00 – Helping Veterans and Gold Star Families Heal
The retreats, treatment programs, and plans for a dedicated facility designed to bring veterans and families together while supporting their recovery.
1:31:14 – Gold Star Families and the Power of Helping Others
Mama Lee discusses retreats for Gold Star parents and families, while Jocko reflects on how even a small act of kindness can completely change someone’s outlook.

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Urban warfare expert and retired Army officer John Spencer returns to share stories from 20 Times I Almost Died, from Ranger School and Iraq to Ukraine, Gaza, and some incredibly close calls. Along the way, John and Jocko break down leadership, intuition, modern warfare, resilience, and the importance of developing a personal code to live by.
00:00 – John Spencer: 20 Times I Almost Died
02:53 – Kashmir: India, Pakistan & Modern Warfare
05:10 – Lebanon, Hezbollah & the Changing Battlefield
11:17 – Ukraine, Drones & the Future of War
15:54 – Inside a Hamas Tunnel Under Gaza
24:43 – Iraq: Common Sense, Orders & Leadership
39:08 – The IED Trap: Trusting Your Intuition
45:28 – “Pepper”: The Fight That Cost John His Ear
1:08:27 – The “Sopranos of Baghdad” & Humility
1:29:02 – Ukraine, Bucha & the Will to Resist
1:38:00 – Ranger School: “You Can Always Quit Tomorrow”
1:44:03 – The Best Ranger Competition & a 40-Foot Fall
1:55:48 – Iraq: A Deadly Humvee Crash & Duty
2:01:31 – Azerbaijan’s Special Forces & the Battle of Shusha
2:11:08 – Going Full Rambo as an OPFOR Soldier
2:16:01 – The Mission to Capture Saddam Hussein
2:27:05 – The Current Situation in Gaza
2:42:38 – Who Are You? Building a Code to Live By
2:53:21 – Closing Thoughts With John Spencer
2:54:19 – Jocko & Echo Closing / Supporters

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How to be a dependable warrior.
At what point does being ultra competitive become a weakness?
How to mentally get back on track in life.
How to kick the remaining vices in your life.
How to guide a 3 year old in life.

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Every decision has consequences—and the small decisions made repeatedly can eventually shape your entire life. Jocko and Echo break down how to make better decisions under uncertainty, when to trust experience and intuition, how to avoid paralysis through analysis, and why effective leaders take action, learn, and adapt.
00:00 — Decisions: The Choices That Shape Your Life
03:33 — How the Marine Corps Teaches Decision-Making
11:50 — Take the Initiative: Keep Them on Their Heels
18:14 — Logic, Intuition, and Emotion
24:57 — Analytical vs. Instinctive Decision-Making
26:28 — Stop Overthinking. Take a Small Action.
34:26 — Detachment: The Decision-Making Superpower
41:34 — The 70% Solution: Stop Waiting for Perfect
46:07 — The OODA Loop: Observe, Orient, Decide, Act
58:46 — Adapt Faster Than the Situation Changes
1:01:23 — Failure, Fear, and Learning Through Action
1:06:13 — Small Decisions, Fast Feedback, Constant Adjustment
1:15:37 — When Being Too Adaptable Becomes a Problem
1:17:59 — Wargaming: Prepare for What Could Go Wrong
1:20:38 — Jocko’s Extreme Ownership Leadership Loop
1:22:29 — Don’t Get Stuck. Make the Decision. Act.

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