Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.Today’s podcast was a conversation that was recorded live at Morningstar’s Investment Conference in Chicago earlier this year.Morningstar CEO Kunal Kapoor took time out of his packed schedule at the event to sit down with me for a thought-provoking conversation that dove into the nuances of many of the trends that are shaping private markets today.Morningstar and Kunal have quite an interesting perch in the market. They occupy a critically important function in the market: helping investors understand the data, structures, and trends in public and private markets. They provide fund ratings, investment analysis, and market data to both individual and institutional investors.As public and private markets experience increasing convergence, Morningstar finds itself at the intersection of markets that are undergoing rapid evolutions across product structures, asset allocation frameworks, and weighty questions around conceptual frameworks of liquidity, risk, volatility, concentration that are on the minds of many. Amongst the wide range of topics Kunal and I covered, one stood out: Morningstar is fiercely on the side of the investor.If there’s anyone who has a deep understanding of Morningstar’s DNA, it’s Kunal. Kunal started at Morningstar in 1997 as a data analyst, holding a variety of roles at the firm, including leadership positions in research and innovation. He served as director of mutual fund research and was part of the team that launched Morningstar Investment Services, Inc., before moving on to other roles including director of business strategy for international operations, and later, president and chief investment officer of Morningstar Investment Services. During his tenure, he has also led Morningstar.com® and the firm’s data business as well as its global products and client solutions group.Kunal and I had a fascinating and lively conversation. We covered a number of the most pressing topics in private markets today: the convergence of public and private, liquidity vs illiquidity, investor education, the importance of transparency, and the why, what, and how behind evergreen funds.Thanks Kunal for coming on the show to share your wisdom, expertise, and passion for public and private markets.A word from AGM podcast sponsor, Ultimus Fund SolutionsThis episode of Alt Goes Mainstream is brought to you by Ultimus Fund Solutions, a leading full-service fund administrator for asset managers in private and public markets. As private markets continue to move into the mainstream, the industry requires infrastructure solutions that help funds and investors keep pace. In an increasingly sophisticated financial marketplace, investment managers must navigate a growing array of challenges: elaborate fund structures, specialized strategies, evolving compliance requirements, a growing need for sophisticated reporting, and intensifying demands for transparency.To assist with these challenging opportunities, more and more fund sponsors and asset managers are turning to Ultimus, a leading service provider that blends high tech and high touch in unique and customized fund administration and middle office solutions for a diverse and growing universe of over 450 clients and 1,800 funds, representing $500 billion assets under administration, all handled by a team of over 1,000 professionals. Ultimus offers a wide range of capabilities across registered funds, private funds and public plans, as well as outsourced middle office services. Delivering operational excellence, Ultimus helps firms manage the ever-changing regulatory environment while meeting the needs of their institutional and retail investors. Ultimus provides comprehensive operational support and fund governance services to help managers successfully launch retail alternative products.Visit www.ultimusfundsolutions.com to learn more about Ultimus’ technology enhanced services and solutions or contact Ultimus Executive Vice President of Business Development Gary Harris on email at
[email protected] thank Ultimus for their support of alts going mainstream.Show Notes00:00 Introduction to our Sponsor, Ultimus01:18 Podcast Opening and Theme01:55 Welcome to the Morningstar Investment Conference02:29 Convergence of Public and Private Markets03:12 Challenges in Transitioning to Private Markets05:26 Morningstar's Evolution and Impact06:59 Morningstar's Role in Reducing Costs08:15 Evergreen Funds and Transparency08:48 Complexities in Private Market Structures09:36 Liquidity and Innovation in Private Markets12:27 Investor Education and Common Language14:34 Comparing Public and Private Market Investments16:28 Standardized Documentation and Regulation18:00 Educating Investors on Private Markets18:52 Morningstar's Style Box for Private Markets19:14 Data Availability and Analysis20:24 Evaluating Different Investment Structures21:09 Public-Private Partnerships and Transparency21:38 Philosophical Questions on Private Markets22:58 Behavioral Aspects of Illiquidity24:00 Evergreen Funds as Buy and Hold Vehicles24:15 Asset Allocation and Evergreen Structures25:16 Investor Behavior and Market Volatility25:25 Individual Investors vs. Advisors26:32 Stability of Retail Assets26:56 Retail Brokerage Apps and Crypto Trading27:15 Impact of Social Media on Young Investors27:29 Exposure to Private Markets28:01 Market Drawdowns and Young Investors28:27 Advisor-Led Models vs. Self-Directed Investing28:57 Investor Behavior Across Different Age Groups30:06 Morningstar's Role in Investor Validation30:50 Morningstar's Independent Voice32:01 Transparency in Private Markets32:24 PitchBook and Data Transparency33:02 Challenges in Private Market Data33:26 Tipping Point in Transparency34:54 Private Market Indices35:37 Challenges in Benchmarking Private Markets36:29 Lessons from Public Markets37:12 Evolution of Private Markets37:37 Future of Private Markets38:41 Fee Structures in Private Markets39:38 Operational Burden in Private Markets40:50 Pre-Trade Market Structure41:16 Access to Private Markets for All Investors43:06 Returns and Diversification in Private Markets44:51 Building Portfolios in a Lower Return Environment47:15 Brand vs. Performance in Alternative Assets49:18 Favorite Alternative InvestmentsEditing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.
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