Mind Shift with Erwin & Aaron McManus

• #092 Truth In Heresy: Challenging Orthodoxy

  In this episode of the Mind Shift Podcast, Aaron and Erwin McManus reflect on a major transition as Mosaic moves out of its long-time Hollywood home. They recount the final worship night where nearly 900 people gathered and 70–80 baptisms took place, marking the end of an era. The conversation touches on the new campuses now emerging in Calabasas, South Pasadena, Culver City, and Studio City. Erwin shares emotional reflections on the legacy of the building and the many lives transformed there, while Aaron underscores how movement and growth have always been part of Mosaic’s DNA.The episode also dives into the ongoing exploration of Genesis and the growing interest from new audiences, with a notable 60–80% of listeners being first-time participants. Erwin explains why staying in Genesis offers endless opportunities for reflection and theological curiosity. They emphasize the importance of disagreement and diversity of thought within their community, encouraging listeners to engage, question, and wrestle with scripture. This ethos of open dialogue and mutual respect shapes their approach to both the Bible and the people engaging with it.As the discussion unfolds, Aaron shares a moment where he called out performative criticism in church culture, and Erwin unpacks how terms like “heretic” are often weaponized to enforce conformity. Drawing from history, they discuss how ideas once deemed heretical—like heliocentrism—eventually reshaped how we understand truth. Erwin stresses the necessity of intellectual honesty and the courage to question long-held traditions. The conversation becomes a call to spiritual integrity, where truth is not inherited but discovered through inquiry and faith.Throughout the episode, Erwin shares his own theological journey and how he starts with Jesus—not a system—when interpreting scripture. Using analogies like Oppenheimer’s role as a theorist, he explains his focus on deep questions over surface answers. This leads into a thoughtful reflection on the Old Testament, which he compares to stories like *Braveheart* and *Gladiator*, noting how its themes of freedom, honor, and struggle mirror real human experience. He reminds listeners that the Bible was written by the oppressed, not the powerful, and that its messiness is part of its authenticity.Finally, the conversation turns toward the future of theology and the church. Erwin critiques the stagnating effect of the phrase “there’s nothing new under the sun,” arguing that it limits innovation and imagination in faith communities. He shares his own experience being blacklisted for advocating creativity and change, and stresses the urgent need for early adopters and innovators to influence theology today. The episode closes with talk of future long-form episodes, community events in different cities, and a shared excitement to keep exploring faith, scripture, and transformation—starting with Jesus and moving outward from there.

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• #091 Heaven And Hell: Do You Know The Bible?

  In this episode, Aaron McManus and his father, Erwin McManus, dive into a deeply engaging Q&A, taking on listener-submitted questions around theology, scripture, and spiritual formation. They begin by opening up the format, inviting the community into the conversation, and encouraging engagement beyond the podcast through live discussions and the Mind Shift community platform. Aaron shares the structure for the episode, giving Erwin space to unpack major theological ideas while also fielding more personal and philosophical inquiries about belief, interpretation, and spiritual leadership. Their dynamic sets the tone for an open, curious, and deeply reflective exchange of ideas.A core question raised early in the episode is whether the Bible is infallible. Erwin answers by distinguishing between the perfection of truth and the imperfection of its human messengers. He explains that though written by fallible individuals, the Bible’s intent is not deception but revelation—it is true in what it reveals about God and humanity. Drawing parallels to scientific principles, he likens scripture to the discovery of infallible truths by imperfect people. This launches a broader conversation about the purpose of the Bible—not just to know scripture, but to know God through it.As the episode deepens, Aaron and Erwin explore resources and tools for better understanding scripture. Erwin emphasizes learning in community, where questions are not only allowed but necessary for growth. He reflects on his own early study practices, which included studying Greek and Hebrew and relying on commentaries and physical books. Their discussion touches on how historical and cultural context shapes interpretation and how staying connected to the original languages can preserve nuance often lost in translation. They also reflect on the influence of decisions made at the Council of Nicaea and how certain texts were excluded from the canon.The episode also tackles big theological concepts, including the Trinity, the nature of heaven and hell, and the role of Satan in Genesis. Erwin breaks down the idea of the Trinity with metaphors and references to scripture, highlighting the relational and dynamic nature of God. When asked why Satan was allowed in the garden, Erwin suggests that love demands freedom and trust. Regarding the afterlife, he stresses that the Kingdom of God is a present reality, more pressing than abstract speculation about heaven or hell. He offers a bold view on Jesus’ descent into hell and the possibility of it being “emptied,” emphasizing grace over fear.Finally, they touch on more speculative areas like the Nephilim and the Book of Enoch, while anchoring their theological foundation in the canonical scriptures. Erwin encourages curiosity but warns against letting non-canonical texts distract from what’s central to faith. They also explore differing views on salvation and the dangers of weaponizing theology for control. Throughout, Erwin underscores the radical freedom of grace and love as the most transformative forces. The episode closes with a glimpse into Erwin’s sermon prep routine, shaped by decades of immersion in scripture, and an encouragement to approach theology not as a fixed system, but as a living conversation with God, guided by humility and wonder.

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• #090 Decoding Genesis: Factual Or Metaphor?

  In this episode of the Mind Shift Podcast, Aaron McManus and his father, Erwin Raphael McManus, dive into the turbulence in Los Angeles, reflecting on the city’s long history of unrest and social disorder. From the 1992 riots to recent immigration protests and political tensions, they describe LA as a city in constant flux. Erwin contrasts this with his recent travel experiences across the country, while Aaron reflects on the emotional impact of ongoing chaos and the deep gratitude he feels for the people anchoring his life. The episode opens by framing these reflections as a backdrop for a deeper exploration of meaning, purpose, and faith.Aaron introduces a new chapter in the podcast: a scriptural series beginning with the book of Genesis. Drawing from Erwin’s decades of theological teaching, they set the tone for a thoughtful and disruptive exploration of the Bible. They discuss the relevance of Genesis in both literal and metaphorical terms, highlighting the importance of mythology in shaping belief systems. Erwin pushes back against rigid interpretations, inviting listeners into a conversation that values mystery, imagination, and the power of narrative in uncovering spiritual truths.Focusing on Genesis 1:1–3, Erwin breaks down the creation story by emphasizing the symbolic roles of the four elements—earth, wind, fire, and water—and their resonance with modern scientific ideas. He draws parallels between Genesis and concepts in quantum physics, like energy and light, suggesting that the ancient text contains insights consistent with contemporary science. The discussion highlights the phrase “formless and empty,” with Erwin urging listeners to view it through a symbolic lens rather than a strictly physical one. This segment reveals how scripture and science can coexist as complementary frameworks for understanding our origins.The episode then turns to the sequence of creation, specifically the importance of water and the emergence of light. Erwin explains that water’s presence before light speaks to its foundational role in life, while the delayed creation of the sun reshapes how we interpret biblical time. He critiques the literal seven-day creation view, arguing that “days” in Genesis don’t equate to modern 24-hour periods. This opens a discussion on energy, light, and the gradual unfolding of creation, presenting a more layered and expansive view of Genesis that bridges faith and physics.Toward the end, Aaron and Erwin explore the creation of stars and the concept of time, leading into a conversation about astrology and sacred signs. They emphasize that the stars are not meant to predict fate but to signal the rhythm of sacred time. The episode closes with reflections on humanity being made in God’s image—imbued with purpose and interconnected with all creation—setting the stage for future episodes that will continue unpacking Genesis as both a spiritual and cosmic roadmap.

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• #089 Truth Vs. Belief: Invention And Discovery

  In episode 89 of the Mind Shift Podcast, Aaron McManus joins his father, Erwin Raphael McManus, to discuss the release of two powerful podcast episodes, including a now-viral clip with Tim Ross. The episode, originally recorded at the Mosaic Conference in Los Angeles, sparked massive engagement online, drawing millions of views and hundreds of thousands of interactions. Aaron reflects on the confusion surrounding its release timing, while Erwin offers a behind-the-scenes look at the discussion’s origins. The episode sets the tone for a thought-provoking exploration of theology, mythology, and the radical act of questioning long-held assumptions.The viral clip, centered on the provocative question “Did Eve Sin?”, ignited waves of online dialogue. Erwin dives into the story’s complexity, challenging how traditional interpretations may have oversimplified it. Aaron highlights how the clip’s traction signals a cultural appetite for deeper, less dogmatic conversations around faith. They tease another clip in which they question whether humans may have once possessed capabilities like flight or aquatic life, referencing the biblical mandate to rule over land, sea, and sky. These conversations push the boundaries of conventional theological thinking, inviting listeners to engage their imaginations.Building on these themes, Erwin and Aaron speculate on the human condition before the biblical fall. Erwin suggests that stories like Aquaman or Superman might be more than fiction—they could be remnants of ancient memory. The act of Adam naming every animal becomes a focal point for exploring humanity’s pre-fall brilliance and creative authority. Erwin stresses that exploring such possibilities is not heretical but deeply biblical when approached with humility and curiosity. Rather than seeking to prove mythologies, he emphasizes the need to rediscover wonder in the scriptural narrative.A core tension in the conversation is between systematic theology and biblical theology. Erwin critiques systematic theology as a structure of invented truths that can exclude or delegitimize those who don’t fit its mold. In contrast, biblical theology is framed as a pursuit of discovered truth—a lived relationship with God that transcends doctrinal rigidity. They share stories of theological gatekeeping and reflect on how some religious systems elevate intellectual frameworks over genuine spiritual transformation. Erwin advocates for a theology that starts with love and leads to relationship, not just belief.The episode culminates in a passionate defense of free will as essential to love and God’s character. Erwin challenges deterministic frameworks like Calvinism, arguing that a God who orchestrates everything for His own glory alone is not consistent with the radical love of Jesus. He expresses a deep trust in the truth of scripture but resists the layers of orthodoxy that have ossified around it. As Aaron reads a quote about the difference between belief and truth, Erwin affirms that Jesus is the truth he builds his life on—not a theory, but a living foundation that invites constant growth, humility, and the freedom to ask better questions.

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• #088 Building Integrity: Confronting The Modern Church

  In this episode of the Mind Shift Podcast, Erwin McManus sits down with longtime friend and podcaster Tim Ross to explore the deeply personal and often overlooked qualities of vulnerability and integrity in leadership. Drawing from Tim’s extensive experience across various church communities and media platforms, they reflect on how these foundational values are frequently missing in modern leadership—even in spiritual spaces where they should be most essential. From the outset, Tim defines integrity as being the same person in private as in public, and the two lament how rare that consistency has become. Their conversation quickly turns candid, setting the tone for an honest exploration of what it truly means to lead with character.Together, Erwin and Tim examine the roots of duplicity in leadership, citing the biblical story of Adam and Eve as the origin of humanity’s tendency to hide the truth. Tim calls out the church culture that often prioritizes talent over character, fostering environments where young pastors feel compelled to fake perfection. This discussion reveals a painful tension: the systems designed to promote spiritual growth can sometimes create pressure for leaders to project false images. They agree that the very structures that should protect integrity often enable its erosion, making the practice of vulnerability both risky and revolutionary.As the dialogue deepens, the conversation shifts to the challenges of maintaining authenticity in the digital age. Tim and Erwin explore how social media amplifies both mistakes and expectations, often punishing honest leaders while rewarding those who hide behind curated personas. They highlight how the fear of public judgment has led many to conceal struggles instead of seeking healing, and how sincerity itself has become a liability. The issue isn't only moral—it's systemic. The pair critiques how church institutions have historically managed scandal: focusing more on image management than heart restoration.As the episode winds down, Tim shares how personal challenges and failures—including struggles with burnout and his past addiction—shaped his path toward becoming a more honest leader. He encourages leaders to surround themselves with communities capable of handling vulnerability and emphasizes the value of therapy, self-awareness, and rest. The conversation expands to balancing humility with confidence, navigating exhaustion, and being open to unexpected vocational turns. Tim’s final reflections—and an impromptu farewell rap—offer humor and heart, reinforcing the episode’s core message: leadership doesn’t require perfection, but it does demand honesty, resilience, and the courage to be seen.

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