Marketing Against The Grain

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Ep. 420

In AI search,, relevancy matters more than authority.

Kipp, Kieran, Beeri Amiel (Product at HubSpot and founder of XFunnel), and guest Sam Parr (Host of My First Million) dive into how AI-driven answer engines are disrupting traditional SEO and what marketers must do to adapt. Learn more on how AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) is changing the rules of search, why citation and content relevance matter more than authority, and what tools and tactics you can implement to succeed in the new era of AI search.

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Sam Parr https://www.linkedin.com/in/parrsam


My First Million https://www.mfmpod.com/


Hampton https://joinhampton.com/


The Hustle https://thehustle.co/


Beeri Amiel https://www.linkedin.com/in/beeri-amiel


XFunnel https://www.xfunnel.ai/


HubSpot AEO Portal https://clickhubspot.com/aeo


Ahrefs https://ahrefs.com/


Google Search Console https://search.google.com/search-console/about

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Ep. 419

How do you publish 250 pieces of content per week with zero employees?

Kipp and Sabrina Ramonov of Blotato, dive into the exact AI-powered content workflow that built a 2 million-person audience—all as a solo creator. Learn more on building repeatable brand voice skills with AI, automating content creation from raw images, and managing an entire social media calendar through smart connectors and tools. Sabrina Ramonov is on a mission to teach 1 million people AI. She’s the solo founder of Blotato.com, an AI SaaS app for creators and entrepreneurs to go viral on multiple social platforms like me (0 to 500k+ in 6 months solo).

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Sabrina Ramonov https://www.youtube.com/@sabrina_ramonov


Blotato https://www.blotato.com/


Claude Cowork https://support.claude.com/en/articles/13345190-get-started-with-claude-cowork


Airtable https://www.airtable.com/


Canva https://www.canva.com/

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Ep. 418

Did you know tools like ChatGPT and Claude are already telling your customers to buy from your competitors—and you might not even know it? 

Kipp dives into the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and how AI search engines are transforming the way businesses are found and recommended online. Learn more on why traditional Google search is no longer enough, how AI-driven recommendations are shaping customer decisions, and the must-do strategies to ensure your brand shows up across every major AI-powered search engine.

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ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/


Claude https://claude.ai/


Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/


Zendesk https://www.zendesk.com/


Intercom https://www.intercom.com/

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Ep. 417

Everyone told you the blog is dead—but the data proves we were all wrong.

Kipp, Kieran, Aja Frost (Sr. Director of Global Growth and Paid at HubSpot), and Beeri Amiel (Product at HubSpot and founder of XFunnel) dive into how answer engines like ChatGPT, Claude, and Google Gemini are reshaping how companies get discovered online, and why your blog matters more than ever. Learn more on real-world AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) insights, why blog posts and listicles dominate AI citations, the science of influencing robots (not just people), and the new playbook for building trust across YouTube, Reddit, and LinkedIn.

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Aja Frost https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajafrost/


Beeri Amiel https://www.linkedin.com/in/beeri-amiel/


XFunnel https://www.xfunnel.ai/


ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/


Claude https://claude.ai/


Gemini https://gemini.google.com/app

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We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research

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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

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Ep. 416

Is your AI marketing output stuck at "just okay" no matter how much you refine your skills?

Kieran dives into why building better skills isn’t enough—and shares the Pixar-inspired secret to world-class, distinctive results with AI. Learn more on the crucial difference between skills and the foundational context layer, harnessing "brain trust" principles to transform your marketing, and the four foundational files every marketer needs to move from average to extraordinary content.

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Claude Code https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview


Pixar https://www.pixar.com/


Edwin Catmull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Catmull

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We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business.

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