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Ben kicks things off with a major career update before we dive into a critical study from JAMA Network Open. We explore the predictive value of the five minute Apgar score when combined with umbilical artery pH in very preterm infants. While the Apgar score was originally designed for term babies, this analysis of the EPICE cohort reveals its enduring utility even in the smallest patients. We discuss how these two measures interact, which one "wins" when they conflict, and why the clinician assessment remains a powerful predictor of mortality and severe morbidity in the NICU.
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Apgar Score Plus Umbilical Artery pH and Adverse Neonatal Outcomes in Very Preterm Infants. Ehrhardt H, Behboodi S, Maier RF, Aubert AM, Ådén U, Staude B, Draper ES, Gudmundsdottir A, Siljehav V, Varendi H, Weber T, Zemlin M, Zeitlin J; EPICE/SHIPS Research Group.JAMA Netw Open. 2026 Feb 2;9(2):e2557913.
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Is your NICU considering the shift to 24 hour in house attending coverage? In this episode of Journal Club, we explore a provocative brief communication from the Journal of Perinatology. Ben and Daphna discuss the impact of moving from home call to on site presence at UC Davis. While the change was intended to improve patient care, the data reveals a surprising 15 percent decrease in work RVUs. We examine how proactive weaning and bedside presence might actually lower billing levels under current CPT codes. Are we being penalized for doing the right thing for our patients?
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From on-call to on-site: the impact of 24-hour in-house neonatology on billing patterns and physician productivity. Donohue L, Lakshminrusimha S.J Perinatol. 2026 Feb;46(2):289-292. doi: 10.1038/s41372-025-02530-8. Epub 2026 Jan 5.PMID: 41490931 Free PMC article. No abstract available.
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In this episode of Journal Club, Ben and Daphna dive into the results of the NIRTURE trial, recently published in JAMA Network Open. Building on the lessons of SafeBoosC 3 , the NIRTURE investigators aimed to reduce the burden of cerebral hypoxia and hyperoxia in extremely preterm infants using a standardized NIRS guided treatment protocol. While the study showed a dramatic improvement in maintaining cerebral normoxia, driven largely by a reduction in hyperoxia , the clinical outcomes before discharge remained neutral. Join us as we discuss whether regional oximetry is a must have bedside tool or just another data point in search of a clear clinical benefit.  
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Cerebral Oximetry-Guided Treatment and Cerebral Oxygenation in Extremely Preterm Infants: A Randomized Clinical Trial. Jani PR, Goyen TA, Balegar KK, Maheshwari R, Saito-Benz M, Schindler T, Moore J, Merhi M, Cruz M, Song Y, McDonagh H, Luig M, Tracy M, D'Cruz D, Perdomo A, Morakeas S, Dasireddy V, Culcer M, Shingde V, Bennington K, Michalowski J, Fucek A, Querim J, Stevens S, Santanelli J, Elhindi J, Gloss B, Halliday R, Shah D, Popat H.JAMA Netw Open. 2026 Feb 2;9(2):e2557620. 
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The American Board of Pediatrics (ABP) recently announced a move toward competency-based subspecialty training that would shorten fellowships — including neonatology — from three years to two. The proposal has sent shockwaves through the training community. In this episode, Daphna sits down with three leaders from the Organization of Neonatal Perinatal Training Program Directors (ONTPD): Dr. Patrick Myers from Northwestern, Dr. Heather French from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, and Dr. Melissa Scala from Stanford. Together, they break down what competency-based medical education actually means in practice, why the math simply doesn't add up when applied to neonatology, and what this could mean for procedural training, scholarly activity, fellow well-being, and ultimately patient care. They also address the workforce concerns driving the ABP's proposal, share survey data from program directors across the country, and offer concrete alternative pathways forward. The message from the field is clear: the community wants to innovate — but they want a seat at the table first.
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Dr. Benny Rossner, PGY-2 pediatrics resident and veteran physician recruiter with 15 years of experience building clinical teams across the country, joins Ben and Rupa for a candid look at the neonatology workforce from a side of the conversation trainees rarely hear. He breaks down why demand for neonatologists is rising — sicker and younger patients, a shrinking APP pipeline into high-acuity specialties, and hospitals stretching budgets on locums before finally raising permanent salaries — and why fellows coming out of training have more negotiating power than they typically realize. He also shares practical advice on contract negotiations, non-competes, and why knowing the right people still matters enormously when it comes to landing the most competitive academic or metropolitan positions.
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