Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies

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Are you still showing up for every function in your business after years because stepping back feels like abandoning what you built? Do you publish content consistently but wonder why it is not moving the needle?
Today's featured guest owns a social media agency and built her client roster by getting on stage before she was comfortable doing so. She wrote a book that got her on the stages she wanted, and carved out a niche so specific that it made content marketers uncomfortable.
In this conversation, she'll talk about how she landed enterprise clients with zero churn over nine years, what it actually takes to find a real differentiator, and much more.
Brooke Sellas is the CEO and founder of B Squared Media, a Michigan-based agency offering social media management, paid media management, and social media customer care. Her social care practice works exclusively with enterprise brands at $5 billion and above in annual revenue, including long-term clients she originally closed nine years ago with zero churn since. She is the author of Conversations That Connect, a book built around the idea that social is a conversation channel, not a content channel. Brooke speaks at major marketing conferences, including Social Media Marketing World and now teaches AI at the University of California.
In this episode, we'll discuss:
Why your differentiator must be an outcome

Being stuck in the Founder Evolution Framework

Why hesitation regarding AI will kill your agency

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How She Built a Client List Enterprise Brands Still Have Not Left
Brooke's first two major clients came from a speaking appearance she almost did not take. She hated being on stage but agreed anyway. She closed Brother International and Miele from that first talk, and immediately made speaking her primary lead generation strategy. Nine years later, those clients are still with the agency. That zero churn across the social care practice is the result of a positioning decision made early: social is a revenue channel, not a content channel, and every client relationship is built around proving that.
Getting on bigger stages required a longer game. Brooke spent years speaking for free, asked her network exactly how they were getting booked, and eventually took advice to write a book. The book cost around $25,000 to produce and self-publish. It opened stages that had been closed before. Social Media Marketing World followed because the book got in front of the right people and gave the organizer enough confidence to put her on stage. The ROI was not immediate. It compounded across years of bookings, consulting fees, and speaking revenue that now functions as a separate income stream while still generating agency leads.
Your Differentiator Has to Be an Outcome, Not a Vibe
Brooke is direct about what does not work as positioning. Saying your agency is a people-first agency, that you care more, that you have great culture: none of it separates you in a room where everyone is saying exactly the same thing. She spent years telling content marketers they were wrong, walking into rooms full of people who measured social by follower counts and publishing frequency, and saying the right metric is revenue from social. That took a stance. It made some people uncomfortable, and that discomfort was the signal she was in the right territory.
The lesson she draws from her own experience is not that you need to be contrarian for its own sake. It is that your differentiator has to connect directly to a business outcome your client already cares about. Her agency's tagline is Conversation Not Campaign. That is a positioning claim with a revenue argument underneath it.
If you cannot articulate what outcome your positioning produces for the client, you do not have a differentiator yet. You have a personality.
Where She Is in the Founder Evolution Framework and What It Costs Her
Fourteen years into building B Squared, Brooke is somewhere between Architect and CEO and honest about what that means in practice. She still runs most things. She knows it is holding back growth. She also knows that the identity piece is real: when you have built something for over a decade and your name is synonymous with what the agency delivers, stepping out of that role is not just a structural decision. It requires a different relationship with your own sense of contribution.
What she articulates clearly is the tension every founder at this stage knows. She does not want to be the bottleneck anymore. She also has not yet handed the systems over to someone who can own them at the level she would.
The move at this stage is not to wait until someone earns total trust before stepping back. It is to build the systems, put the right person in charge of them, and let the fender benders happen so the team develops the capability to solve problems without routing everything through the founder. The alternative is staying indispensable in a way that caps everything the agency could become.
Stop Hesitating and Treat AI with Curiosity
Brooke runs social media and paid media services. She is clear-eyed about what AI is doing to both: content that used to take weeks to produce is now a matter of seconds, and ad copy that required real craft is being generated faster and often better than agency teams can match manually. That is the honest read. The response she chose is not to protect what exists but to figure out where AI creates opportunity she was not positioned to capture before.
The Gartner stat she cites is worth repeating: people who use AI to help them sell, sell 3.7 times more than those who do not. Brooke is a speaker, a consultant, and a sales-driven founder. That number is an opening, not a threat. The agencies that are struggling right now are the ones that treated the last two years as a window to observe and decide. The window is closing. Curiosity and willingness to play with new tools before mastery arrives is not optional. It is the trait that has always separated the founders who build something lasting from the ones who stay comfortable until the market moves without them.
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Are you charging for execution when clients are about to stop paying for it? Are you building your sales process around your offer instead of around your prospect's trust?
Today's featured guest built a growth workshop that converts 78% of buyers into long-term retainer clients. In this episode, she'll get into what that workshop actually contains, why the entry offer might be the thing keeping it from scaling, how to stop your CEO from chasing shiny quarters mid-engagement, and what happens when you position strategy as the product instead of execution.
Jen Jurgens is the founder of 1 Bold Step, a revenue operations agency based in Michigan. Her background is in supply chain management, which is where she developed the belief she will die on: sales and marketing is a process, and processes can be measured, improved, and optimized. One Bold Step is a HubSpot partner and works primarily with B2B clients on pipeline growth, campaign optimization, and revenue systems.
In this episode, we'll discuss:
Focusing on pipeline growth as a primary metric

Creating a foot in the door for Jen's growth workshop

Selling the process, not the deliverable

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The Case for Charging for Strategy Before Execution
Jen comes at pricing from a supply chain logic: if you can measure the outcome, you can defend the price. Her agency focuses on pipeline growth as its primary client metric because it is the number most directly connected to revenue and the one she can credibly influence within a defined timeframe. Monthly reports go out, and every quarter there is a two-hour retrospective with the client covering what was committed to, what actually happened, what worked, what did not, and what the next 90 days look like.
The reason this cadence holds is that it makes the strategic layer of the engagement visible. Most agencies send reports that clients stop reading after the first month because the data is wrapped in jargon and disconnected from business outcomes. Jen's approach is the opposite: tie everything to pipeline, show up in person or on screen quarterly, and use an Agile sprint structure to keep the client's attention from jumping to whatever crossed their desk that morning. That level of structure is the thing clients are actually paying for, and most of them do not know it until it is explained to them directly.
Why Your Entry Offer Might Be the Reason Deals Stall
Jen's growth workshop has a 78% conversion rate from buyer to long-term retainer. That is a strong number. The problem is on the other side of the funnel: getting prospects to say yes to the workshop in the first place. The workshop is currently priced between $10,000 and $15,000, takes 100 to 120 hours of agency time to deliver, and goes deep enough that Jen describes it as showing clients not just what they want but what they actually need. It is comprehensive. It is also a significant ask before any trust has been established.
The Foot-in-the-Door principle exists precisely for this situation. A $10,000 to $15,000 entry requires founder-level credibility to close and has no on-ramp for prospects who are not yet convinced. What it needs is a smaller version that a prospect can say yes to at low risk, that delivers a real insight in a short window, and that makes the full workshop the obvious next step rather than a leap of faith. The mechanics are straightforward: charge $1,000 to $2,000 for a focused diagnostic session, frame it as a mutual qualifier, and let the output do the selling. The trust the mini-session builds is what removes the friction from the larger close.
Selling the Process, Not the Deliverable
Jen describes what she actually does in the growth workshop as taking the client's assumptions about what is blocking their growth and replacing them with what is actually blocking their growth. Nine times out of ten, a CEO who says they need more leads is sitting on an unconverted database, a sales team sitting on two-year-old proposals, or five product lines with no prioritization. More leads into a leaky bucket is not a solution.
The reason this framing is powerful is not just diagnostic accuracy. It is positioning. When Jen walks into a growth workshop, she is not selling marketing services. She is functioning as a strategic operator who knows how revenue systems work and is willing to tell the client something they did not ask to hear. That is a fundamentally different position than an agency responding to an RFP. The clients who pay $10,000 to $15,000 for that workshop are not buying a deliverable. They are buying the read, and the confidence that what comes next will be built on something real.
Pricing for Strategy When AI Is Changing What Execution Costs
The conversation landed on a reality every agency is navigating right now. Execution is getting cheaper and faster. Four websites in three hours is not hypothetical anymore. Clients who used to pay for time spent are starting to ask why the price has not moved if the time has. The answer is not to lower prices. The answer is to make the case clearly that what they are paying for was never the hours. It was the 20 or 30 years of judgment that knows which inputs to use, which levers to pull, and what not to build.
Jen's framing for clients who push back on process costs is direct: you can manage this yourself and be the general contractor on your own build. But you will not, because you do not have the time, and if you did, you would not need us. Agencies that can hold that position without flinching are the ones that will not have their margins compressed by AI. The ones that cannot articulate what strategy is worth beyond hours delivered are already in trouble.
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Have you ever hired someone to free up your time and found yourself working more hours than before? Have you hit a point where your reputation for quality is actually the thing keeping you stuck in every project?
Today's featured guest and his wife have been building their agency for over 22 years. For most of that time, the business ran on referrals, no defined niche, and two founders doing most of the work. Six years ago, they got serious about building a real team. In this episode, he talks honestly about what that transition looked like, why his technical strengths became a liability as the agency grew, how a lack of sales infrastructure was quietly making their delivery problems worse, and what the shift to actually picking clients has done for their operations.
Olivier Bridgeman is the co-founder of Bridge Media, a marketing and web agency serving businesses in residential construction, renovation, and maintenance—recognized as the builders of credibility.
Although it has been operating for over two decades, Olivier and his wife made the decision to build a real team and install the infrastructure that would let the business grow beyond them just six years ago. The agency now has 11 people, and Olivier is in the process of evolving out of the operator role and into something closer to CEO, working through the mindset and structural challenges that come with that shift.
In this episode, we'll discuss:
The expected cost of adding more people

When your biggest strength turns you into a bottleneck

Fixing sales to fix the delivery problem

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Why Adding People Made the Work Harder Before It Got Easier
After years of being the sole force behind the business, the motivation to build a team was simple: bring on people, hand off work, and get time back. The reality was that the first hires created more work, not less. Olivier and his wife had to deliver their own work, review and redo the team's work before it went to clients, manage schedules, clarify responsibilities, and absorb the cost of onboarding, all at the same time.
This is the Manager stage in full effect, and it is the stage where most founders assume something is broken when it is actually just the expected cost of the transition.
What Olivier describes is exactly what makes this stage so difficult: you used to know what you were doing every afternoon. Now you have to manage your own calendar and everyone else's. The invisible work of managing people, training them, setting expectations, and maintaining quality does not show up on any timesheet. It just accumulates. The goal is to move through this stage quickly, not to stay in it and hire more people on top of it.
When Your Biggest Strength Becomes the Bottleneck
Olivier's programming ability, which was his edge at the start, became a trap as the team grew. When you are the best technical person in the room and there is a problem in front of you, the reflex is to fix it. It is faster. It is cleaner. And it quietly signals to the team that you do not trust them to solve it themselves.
The pattern is common across founders who built their agencies around a specific skill. The capability that created the business eventually becomes the reason the founder cannot leave it. Every time Olivier jumped in to fix something, he was reinforcing the team's dependency on him rather than building their ability to handle it independently.
The structural answer is not to stop caring about quality. It is to raise the standard through coaching and systems rather than through personal intervention. The goal is a team that can hit 80 percent of what you would have done, on their own, then coach them to 82, then 85. Perfection is not the benchmark. Capability without you is.
What Fixing Sales Did to Their Delivery Problem
For most of Bridge Media's existence, new business came through referrals and local relationships. That felt safe. Working some local events and being known within their market was enough for a while. In practice, it meant every client was different, every project required a different set of skills, and the team was constantly starting from scratch. The founders had to stay deeply involved because the work never became repeatable enough for anyone else to own it.
Two years ago, Olivier and his wife made a deliberate shift toward building an actual sales function. The downstream effect was not just more leads. It was better client fit, more predictable project types, and a team that could finally develop real expertise in a consistent area of work. When you build a pipeline, you get the ability to be selective. When you are selective, you take on clients your team can actually serve without the founders embedded in every deliverable. Referral dependency does not just create revenue risk. It creates a structural trap that keeps founders in the operator seat far longer than necessary.
The Mindset Shift That Has to Happen Before the Role Can Change
Olivier knows he needs to step back, and it is still hard. Not because the systems are not there, but because the identity is hard to separate from the work. When you have spent years building a culture of teamwork and being present for the team, stepping into a more removed role can feel like abandonment, both to the team and to yourself.
The reframe that matters here is not about working less. It is about what the business actually needs from you at each stage. You may think that your biggest contribution to the agency is your time, but at the CEO level your job is:
Setting the vision

Communicating it consistently

Coaching the leadership layer

Protecting the culture through behavior rather than through presence

Steering direction

That work is roughly 20 hours a week when done correctly. The challenge is that most founders do not believe that until they have experienced it, and the discomfort of having fewer hours filled pushes them back into the operator role they just worked hard to leave. Recognizing the rubber band effect for what it is, significance-seeking disguised as contribution, is what makes it possible to stop pulling yourself back in.
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Are your account managers drowning because you never built the system around them? Are you still the one clients call when something goes sideways, even though you hired someone to handle that?
In seven years, today's featured guest and her co-founder built a team of six and developed an account management structure that worked well enough to earn a speaking slot at Elevate. She'll break down the exact touchpoint cadence her agency uses to retain clients and grow accounts, what she looks for when hiring account managers, and what it took to actually get out of the way. She'll also share what makes a co-founder partnership work when so many of them fail.
Michelle Keckler is the co-founder of KNC Marketing, a full-service digital marketing agency based in Nashville, Tennessee. She and her co-founder Danielle launched the agency after Danielle was laid off from a company they both worked at. Within two months they had enough clients for Michelle to leave her corporate job.
Michelle spoke at Elevate and has been a member of the Agency Mastery Mastermind. Her focus inside the agency is on client relationships, account management structure, and building a team that can own outcomes without founder involvement.
In this episode, we'll discuss:
How to set your account managers for success

What to look for in an account manager

Why letting go is not a one-time decision

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The Account Management System That Actually Retains Clients
For Michelle, the first step to setting her account manager for success is to hand off ownership of that account to them right away and make that clear to the client. After that, they rely on a structured cadence built around three consistent touchpoints:
weekly status updates so clients always know where things stand,

monthly meetings to review campaign metrics and look at the next 30, 60, and 90 days,

and quarterly business reviews that step above the day-to-day to assess overall direction and impact.

What makes the cadence work is not the frequency. It is what happens inside each touchpoint. Michelle is specific about this: the monthly meeting is more than just a metrics review. It is an opportunity to ask the client what has changed in their business, whether they made a key hire, lost a team member, or landed a new account that shifts priorities. Often agencies get so focused on delivering the work that they stop asking questions that would help them serve the client better. That gap is where accounts quietly go sideways before anyone notices.
Who to Hire for Account Management (And What to Actually Look For)
Account management is one of the hardest roles to hire for because it requires a combination of skills that rarely come packaged together. Michelle is direct about this: you are looking for someone who can sit in a room with a client, speak confidently about the work, handle a difficult pricing conversation, and bring enough business understanding back to the internal team to actually inform strategy. She calls it a unicorn role, and she means it.
What she's learned through experience is that marketing background matters less than business acumen and leadership mindset. Several of their best account managers came from strong business backgrounds with no formal marketing experience. They hired for values alignment and problem-solving ability, then trained the rest. The interview process shifted from culture-fit questions toward situational ones: how would you handle a frustrated client, tell me about a hard conversation you navigated. Knowledge can be taught. The instinct to lead a client relationship under pressure cannot.
Getting Out of the Way Is a Decision You Have to Make More Than Once
Michelle is honest about the fact that letting go of account management was not a one-time decision. It was a pattern she had to interrupt repeatedly. Early on she stayed involved because she knew her first hire personally. As the team grew, the justification changed but the behavior did not. advice from Darby, Agency Mastery's Agency Scale Specialist, to take the floaties off and let her people swim, stuck with her because it named the real problem: the systems were in place, the people were qualified, and she was still hovering.
The practical shift that made the difference was removing a bottleneck in the operations structure. Danielle had been handling project management as an additional layer between account managers and the internal team. Moving project management back to the account management team eliminated a handoff, sped up delivery, and forced the account managers to own the full outcome of each client relationship. That structural change did more than any mindset shift could on its own. The role became clearer, the accountability became cleaner, and the team stepped into it.
What Makes a Co-Founder Partnership Actually Work
Michelle and Danielle are cousins who have built a seven-year agency together, which puts them in a small category. Michelle is candid about why she believes many partnerships fail and why theirs has not. The foundation is shared values and a shared goal for the business. The operating reality is that they have very different personalities, and that difference is a feature, not a bug. Danielle is the fast implementer. Michelle is the one who wants to think it through. One is the gas, one is the brake, and the business has avoided several train wrecks as a result.
What she is clear about is that a partnership is not a shortcut. It requires the same kind of honest communication and tolerance for imperfection that any long-term relationship does. There will be stretches where one partner is carrying more than the other. There will be disagreements about pace, direction, and priorities. What matters is that both people want what is best for the business and the team, and can say the hard thing to each other when it needs to be said. Michelle is not selling the partnership model to everyone. She is saying that if you find someone with complementary strengths and the same core values, do not let the fear of conflict talk you out of it.
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Are you running multiple things at once and wondering why none of them are moving as fast as they should? Are you still the one every project, every client, and every decision routes through, no matter how many people you have on your team?
Over nearly three decades, today's featured guest didn't just run an agency. He turned it into an incubator, spinning up multiple SaaS companies, a mobile app, and an accessibility tool, all funded and validated through a model most founders have never tried. In this episode, he'll get into how he built products without outside investors, why the bottleneck is always at the top of the bottle, and what it actually took to step out of the operator seat after 28 years in it.
David Carnes is the co-founder of Arcstone, a digital agency based in Minneapolis that has been operating since 1997. Over the course of his career, he has launched multiple companies from inside the agency, including a SaaS platform for associations built as early as 2000, a document management system called Wonderfile that was acquired by Blue Tie in New York, and NC, an accessibility scanning tool built initially for Arcstone's own quality assurance needs. His wife now runs Arcstone as CEO. David currently sits in the CFO seat, operating across all three businesses as an advisor and strategic layer rather than a day-to-day operator.
In this episode, we'll discuss:
Creating the structure to run several businesses and not be in the middle of everything

Why the founder bottleneck is a trap you can learn to avoid

Understanding the importance of creating dedicated AI roles

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This episode is brought to you by Wix Studio: If you're leveling up your team and your client experience, your site builder should keep up too. That's why successful agencies use Wix Studio — built to adapt the way your agency does: AI-powered site mapping, responsive design, flexible workflows, and scalable CMS tools so you spend less on plugins and more on growth. Ready to design faster and smarter? Go to wix.com/studio to get started.
Herringbone Digital: If you're thinking about exiting now, planning a few years ahead, or just want to understand your options, you should know about Herringbone Digital. They're not a typical financial buyer. They're operators who actually understand what it takes to build and scale an agency because they've done it themselves. Their approach is simple: invest in great founders, protect what's already working, and help agencies scale faster. Go to https://www.herringbonedigital.com/swenk and start the conversation.
Funding Products Without Giving Up Equity
One of the most practical lessons owners can take from David is how he funded multiple software products without investors. The model is straightforward: go to existing clients or a relevant group, identify a shared problem, and ask them to collectively fund the build in exchange for lifetime access. For AMO, six or seven associations each kicked in eight thousand dollars. For a later mobile event app, fifteen associations each contributed five thousand. In both cases, David had enough capital to build, immediate users providing real feedback, and zero equity given away.
The reason this works is the same reason the Foot in the Door methodology works inside agency sales. A small, committed financial investment creates accountability on both sides. The customers who fund it show up with feedback because they have skin in the game. The builder ships something real instead of overbuilding in isolation. David was explicit that his own tendency to overcomplicate a product shrinks significantly when real users are in the room from day one.
Too Many Plates, Not Enough Structure
Building multiple companies inside one agency creates a specific kind of chaos. David called it too many plants in one pot. The companies start competing for the same resources, the same attention, and the same management bandwidth. His early answer to this was to stay in the middle of everything, which meant every decision still ran through him.
The shift did not come from a framework or a book. It came from maturity and, eventually, necessity. When his wife stepped into the CEO role at Arcstone and dedicated management teams formed at AMO and NC, David moved into the CFO seat and took on what he called a monster back role, someone who can move across the whole field without being anchored to any single function. That is not a role most founders reach quickly, and he is honest about the fact that he still gets pulled back in when a longtime client or friend asks for something. The trap is familiar: you step in, you mean well, and in doing so, you signal to your team that you do not trust them to handle it.
Founder Bottleneck Is a Pattern, Not a Personality Flaw
David does not pretend he solved the founder bottleneck problem cleanly. In reality, patterns of it showed up repeatedly. You build structure, you step back, something pulls you in, and you disrupt the system you built. David described it as spiral growth rather than linear progress. You see the same lesson again. You handle it a little better. You move on.
What makes the pattern more manageable is having a framework that names it. When you can recognize "this is the trap I have fallen into before," you can course-correct faster. That is exactly the work the Founder Evolution Framework is built to do. Operator, Manager, Architect, CEO, Owner: each stage is a distinct role, not just a job title. Revenue does not move you up the ladder. Removing yourself from the critical path does. David is living proof that even experienced operators with 28 years in the seat have to be intentional about each stage of that progression.
AI: Surf the Wave or Get Pummeled By It
David does not treat AI as a theoretical topic. He attended a ten-thousand-dollar immersive course shortly after Claude introduced persistent context, specifically because he wanted to understand what was actually possible, not just what people were saying about it. His takeaway was concrete enough that he created two dedicated roles inside Arcstone: an AI Architect and an AI Operator.
The distinction is worth understanding. The Architect builds the agents and workflows. The Operator runs them, keeps the human in the loop, and catches the errors. Because AI still makes mistakes, and the founder who knows that firsthand is the one who can train a team to work with it well, not just use it. The agencies that will benefit most are not the ones that hand AI to someone and walk away. They are the ones who build internal capability, document their models and prompts as assets, and treat the technology as a force multiplier on a team that already knows what it is doing.
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