Rebel with a Cause: Christiaan, The Hairstylist Who Changed Everything
Jill sits with Christiaan, the legendary hairstylist who has shaped the beauty industry for over five decades. Known for creating iconic looks including Debbie Harry's signature shag and Grace Jones' striking flat top, Christiaan is also credited with inventing the revolutionary undercut years before it became mainstream. His distinguished career includes collaborations with renowned photographers Arthur Elgort, Peter Lindbergh, Richard Avedon, Irving Penn, and Mario Testino, while styling supermodels Naomi Campbell, Christy Turlington, and Linda Evangelista for leading publications like Vogue and Harper's Bazaar.
Christiaan's remarkable journey began in a small Dutch village, working in his father's barbershop, and led him through military service in the Marines to eventually becoming creative director at Bergdorf Goodman. His path to success was marked by pivotal moments and chance encounters that opened doors to working with influential fashion editors including Polly Mellon and Phyllis Posnick. The precision and discipline learned during his military service proved instrumental in developing his meticulous approach to hair artistry.
In this candid conversation, Christiaan discusses the evolution of beauty standards, his philosophy of prioritizing client comfort over fleeting trends, and his experiences working with fashion icons who revolutionized the industry. He offers insights into the creative process behind his most memorable work and reflects on how his approach to hair styling has contributed to changing perceptions of beauty and self-expression. The episode provides a comprehensive look at a career that has not only created stunning visual moments but has fundamentally influenced how we understand hair as an art form.
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Capturing Iconic Moments: A Conversation with Mark Seliger
Jill sits down with legendary photographer Mark Seliger to hear how he went from small-town Amarillo, Texas, to defining rock and roll imagery for an entire generation. As Rolling Stone's chief photographer for a decade, Mark shot an incredible 188 covers and opens up about his tricks for catching those real, unguarded moments that make his photos so striking. He talks about making the leap to New York City in 1984, the photographer friends who helped him along the way, and landing those career-defining Rolling Stone gigs. You'll hear about his iconic shots including Kurt Cobain's final portraits and Jerry Seinfeld's Wizard of Oz farewell, plus when he took his talent to Condé Nast, where he worked with bigger budgets and was able to bring his vision to a wider audience. Mark shares stories from shoots with everyone from Barack Obama to the Dalai Lama, breaking down how he finds that vulnerable, authentic moment in each person. He also drops some solid advice for photographers just starting out. It's a captivating dive into the stories and skills behind some truly legendary images.
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Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
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Karla Martínez de Salas: Breaking Cultural Barriers One Vogue Cover at a Time
Jill welcomes Karla Martínez de Salas, the Editor-in-Chief of Vogue Mexico and Vogue Latin America. Karla’s illustrious fashion journey began at Vogue as a fashion assistant at American Vogue in 2002. Today, she holds a prominent position at the helm of Vogue's Latin American editions. Karla shares her experiences growing up in a bicultural environment in El Paso, Texas, and how her fascination with fashion and journalism started at a young age. She discusses the differences between Vogue Mexico and Vogue Latin America, including the logistical and cultural variations they navigate each month. Karla also reflects on her time at various fashion institutions, from her internships to working at The New York Times Style Magazine and Interview Magazine. She sheds light on the importance of representation and diversity, notably her achievement of featuring the first indigenous woman on the cover of Vogue. Throughout the discussion, Karla emphasizes the vital role of family support, hard work, and staying grounded, even while managing an expansive career and raising her twins.
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Grace Coddington: The Eye Behind the Image
Grace Coddington doesn't just style pictures, she builds worlds. In this rare and unfiltered conversation, the legendary creative director sits down with Jill and longtime friend Karen Mulligan to talk about the images that defined her and the ones that almost broke her.
From her early modeling days and Beatrix Miller's British Vogue to the Anna Wintour era in New York, Grace reflects on a career shaped by instinct, irreverence, and one very iconic hairdo. She revisits the chaos of the Wizard of Oz shoot with Keira Knightley, the comic genius of Ben Stiller's Funny Face spoof, and the time Sean “Diddy” Combs and Kate Moss tested her patience (and her vision) on set.
She goes deep on her collaborations with Steven Klein, Peter Lindbergh, and Annie Leibovitz, breaking down the creative friction, trust, and unspoken language behind some of Vogue's most unforgettable fashion stories.
Now in her "post-Vogue" chapter, Grace opens up about drawing, pottery, Louis Vuitton, and why she'll never stop telling stories through style. This is Grace Coddington like you've never heard her: intimate, hilarious, and still rogue after all these years.
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Mark Healy: Inside Condé Nast's Golden Era
Jill visits with Mark Healy, an experienced editor and writer recognized for his sharp insights into media influence and power dynamics. Together, Jill and Mark reminisce about their days at Condé Nast during what many regard as the company's golden age. They reflect on Condé Nast's unmistakable company ethos, from its unwritten codes of conduct like elevator silence to the subtle markers of hierarchy and achievement. They also trace Mark's career trajectory beginning with his early role at Playboy through his transformative work at Details and GQ, where he helped reshape both magazines' identities. Mark shares how Details positioned itself as GQ's rebellious counterpart, embracing a grittier, more youthful aesthetic. They delve into major industry transformations, particularly how digital media and the shift from model-focused to celebrity-driven covers revolutionized publishing. Following his Condé Nast years, Mark describes his transition to Men's Journal and subsequent projects, stressing how vital flexibility has become in today's media environment. Mark explains his latest project, 'The Nasty,' a short oral history podcast of Condé Nast through candid interviews with former staffers.
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Welcome to the ultimate insider's guide to the world of fashion, celebrity, and media—straight from the heart of Vogue.
I’m Jill Demling and for nearly two decades I was the Entertainment Director of Vogue. I've booked over 200 American Vogue covers, 30 covers for British Vogue, and more than 50 covers worldwide. That's nearly 300 covers that shaped pop culture, defined fashion, and captured the zeitgeist. But those perfect images? They're just the tip of the iceberg.
"Going Rogue" is your backstage pass to the moments that never made it to print. The stories from the photographers who captured magic, the stylists who created iconic looks, and the writers who know every secret. You'll hear about the celebrities, the shoots that almost didn't happen, and the untold drama behind fashion's most memorable moments.
Remember "The Devil Wears Prada"? That fictional 11-month snapshot? I was there for the real story—I even hired the person the book was based on and appear on page 21 of the book. But this isn't about one story. It's about hundreds of stories, from someone who was on the inside. This podcast is not an exposé, it's a celebration of the brilliant people behind the scenes that made all the famous moments possible at Vogue.
It isn't just a podcast about fashion. It's about creativity, ambition, art, and the human stories behind the images that helped define a generation. We'll reveal how the talents behind these shoots got their start, and they'll share masterclass-level advice for a new generation of stylists, photographers, and creatives looking to make their mark. We're going behind the scenes of a world most people only glimpse through glossy pages and red carpet moments.
Are you ready to go rogue with me?
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