The Imperfects

At just 16, Ellyse Perry was the youngest person to ever debut for the Australian International Cricket team. 13 days later, Ellyse debuted for the Matildas.
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Arguably one of the greatest athletes of our time, Hugh, Ryan and Josh chat to Ellyse about how she stays so grounded amidst her incredible success, and whether she is able to separate who she is from what she does.
Ellyse chats to the guys about her relationship with her dad (Josh and Hugh furiously take notes), and how both her parents were able to instil a love of trying rather than winning.
And then we get onto social anxiety; what it feels like for Ellyse, why she loves silent retreats, and how she manages it in front of her fans.
Ellyse, you are a literal ray of sunshine. Please come back anytime.
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0:00 – Is THAT AI?
5:05 – Running (and bowling) it’s natural course
11:24 – The feeling of not trying
17:18 – Parents: Be A Good Sport
29:22 – Prepare to be disappointed
40:23 – Bitter sweet World Cup
46:48 – The complexity of ego
1:03:54 – Practicing presence
1:10:30 – Hugh’s advice for big moments
🫖Imperfects episodes mentioned on this episode
Pat Cummins - Love, Loss & Life - (1:14:20) - https://bit.ly/3PRku11
WHO ARE YOU? with Dr Emily (+ secret code word) - (17:20) - https://bit.ly/4e1SxeV
📖 Things to read
Perspective by Ellyse Perry - (29:22) - https://bit.ly/3PSMaCI
Ellyse Perry’s children’s books - https://bit.ly/4e1TyDM
Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman - (1:11:40) - https://bit.ly/437yxT9
📺Things to watch
Carl Sagan’s Pale Blue Dot - (1:17:27) - https://bit.ly/3PSPKNa
🏆Competitions to enter
Imperfects LIVE at the Balwyn Cinema Gold Class Double Pass - https://bit.ly/3S0E0Zr
🎟️Things to buy tickets to
Imperfects LIVE at the Balwyn Cinema - https://bit.ly/4vq9JSr
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We have a BIG announcement.
August 19. Balwyn Cinema. Our first ever live podcast recording. With Hugh, Ryan, Josh, Dr Emily, and you?
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Tickets will go live Monday June 8.
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We can’t control what happens to us, but we can control how we respond. At least, that’s what the Stoic’s say.
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Today we are joined (deep breath Hugh) by Stoic philosopher Ryan Holiday.
Using the wisdom of the past to appreciate the present, Ryan’s work is dedicated to communicating how the practicalities of stoic philosophy can help us lead more present, mindful and resilient lives today.
In this incredible chat, Hugh, Josh and Ryan (our Ryan), each present Ryan Holiday with something they have been struggling with in their own lives. Through the lens of Stoic philosophers Marcus Aurelius, Seneca and Epictetus, Ryan Holiday talks to how stoicism can really help us to live into our values, prioritise presence, and deal with existential dread.
We discuss with Ryan the importance of understanding what will actually make you happy (spoiler: it’s not a billion dollars), and how to reframe death as a reminder that we must appreciate every moment (or not waste anymore with shame and guilt).
This episode, and its practical take-aways (which you can find listed in our newsletter), has been a long time coming.
Ryan, what an absolute honour.
0:00 – What is Stoicism?
13:26 – For the Josh’s of the world
17:07 – Time and Energy of Worrying
27:01 – The illusion of freedom
33:50 – Am I a bad friend?
38:58 – Practicing what you preach ft. presence
45:42 – If today was your last day
50:22 – 5 quotes for a Stoic life
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🫖 Imperfects episodes mentioned in this episode
Pat Cummins - Love, Loss & Life - https://bit.ly/4dHKR2F
Maria Ruberto - Sleep Your Way To Your Top - https://bit.ly/4dHKPYB
📖 Things to read
Letter’s from a Stoic by Seneca - https://bit.ly/49WVNqB
ALL of Ryan’s books - https://bit.ly/43uHsxZ
✍️Journals to journal
The Daily Stoic - https://bit.ly/49qJ6Em
My Imperfect Life - https://bit.ly/4tZ8qJ6
🎟️ Things to get tickets to
Daily Stoic Live with Ryan Holiday - https://bit.ly/4uK72Lt
💻Things to check out
Ryan’s website - https://bit.ly/4v3Vh24
The Resilience Project - https://bit.ly/3Q4LOc4
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In the age of AI, do you feel that your future is more uncertain?
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In today’s Academy of Imperfection, we’re joined by Dr Joel Pearson; a neurofuturist, whose work centres around predicting how AI will impact every aspect of our lives from now on.
While many of us (us included) first and foremost imagine the impacts of AI in a tech-revolution-y, robot butler-y, terminator-adjacent way, this episode goes deeper.
Joel discusses how young people are forming attachments with AI companions and how we might see, perhaps the first generation in known history with a lower IQ than the one beforehand.
We talk about the tangible and interconnected mental health impacts that this major societal disruption will have, and Hugh and Josh ask how in the world can we broach this topic with our kids?
BUT, this episode isn’t all doom and gloom. Joel is a tech-optimist, after all.
We talk to Joel about how we can foster human connection, and continue to develop our critical thinking skills, whilst not turning away from AI altogether.
Joel, this has been invaluable.
If you want to watch this full video on YouTube, follow this link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPGa6heppjE
0:00 – The episode we’ve been putting off
10:10 – The only certainty is disruption
14:15 – Impact of AI on the brain
21:23 – Rewards and moral responsibility
27:11 – A scary mental health spiral
30:31 – Think of the children
35:10 – You may now kiss the AI
45:06 – Purposeful Utopia
58:42 – Seeing is no longer believing
1:02:21 – The Roadmap to AI
1:11:35 – Finding Motivation in Limbo
1:18:15 – Let’s Stack Some Habits
🫖Imperfects episodes mentioned in this episode
Dr Emily - Acceptance, That’s Radical - (1:22:53) - https://bit.ly/4dW7Bfa
Dr Emily - The Certainty of Uncertainty - (1:22:53) - https://bit.ly/3RTAjVl
James Clear - Down The Habit Hole - (1:22:00) - https://bit.ly/4wIg5xV
📖 Things to read
The Intuition Toolkit by Dr Joel Pearson - (3:18) - https://bit.ly/4v5NnFM
Matt Shumer App Development Industry Blog - (27:11) - https://bit.ly/4uo65rY
💻Things to check out
Joel’s website - https://bit.ly/4upBURa
Tristan Harris’ Center for Human Technology - (1:25:40) - https://bit.ly/4wGrFJZ
Figure Three Robotics - (42:51) - https://bit.ly/42J2Uiz
Joel's work at the University of NSW as Deputy Director of Human Readiness UNSW AI Institute - https://bit.ly/4nPA89G
📺 Things to watch
House of Dynamite - (26:21) - https://bit.ly/4uw5PYg
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What is your envy telling you?
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Dr Emily Musgrove, our resident psychologist, is back in the studio to talk about the green-eyed monster, and more importantly, how we can work with it to incorporate more gratitude, appreciation and awareness into our lives (hallelujah).
Founded in the evolutionary practice of assessing our status in comparison with others, envy comes from the feeling of lacking something that someone else has.
In what may have been an adaptive function for a cave person to secure their basic needs, our brains are not equipped for the intense comparison fed to us via social media.
Dr Emily chats to Hugh, Ryan and Josh about the layered experience of envy, and how often, it stems from feeling not-enough or unworthy.
Of course, Dr Emily brings the strategies. We explore how to work with envy in our own lives, and how to acknowledge it in the lives of our friends and family to protect important relationships.
Dr Em, we’ll see you for the sequel on jealousy soon.
To watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/B7acUnoekSc
0:00 – Envy vs Jealousy 9:08 – Keeping up with the Jones’ 8:16 – A message around ‘enoughness’ 25:12 – The energy of being a hater 36:50 – A deep longing for a difference experience 42:13 – On the flip side 52:45 - Acknowledge the hard 59:18 – The social emotion 1:07:18 – Working with envy
🫖Imperfects episodes mentioned in this episode
Dave Hughes - Me, Myself & Ego - https://bit.ly/4ua3mSP
Hamish Blake - Let’s Talk About Self-Doubt - https://bit.ly/4fl7omR
Dr Emily - Acceptance, That’s Radical - https://bit.ly/4ugEHwe
💻Things to check out
Leon Festinger’s Social Comparison Theory - https://bit.ly/4npfIE5
📺Things to watch
‘Onesies’ Bluey episode - https://bit.ly/4eGTqLS
📖Things to read
The Way We Are, by Hugh Mackay - https://bit.ly/4wsJuff
Status Anxiety, by Alain de Botton - https://bit.ly/4tvbGeL
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