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What happens when Christians begin to believe they are entitled to rule over everyone else? 

Matthew D. Taylor, a scholar of religion and politics and visiting scholar at Georgetown University’s Center on Faith and Justice, joins Will Wright and Pastor Josh Burtram to explain how Christian nationalism fits inside a much older story of Christian supremacy, empire, and political power. Taylor traces the pattern back to Constantine, Christendom, and the long history of Christians using Jesus to justify conquest, coercion, and rule. 

He then brings the story into the present through MAGA Christianity, the New Apostolic Reformation, the Seven Mountain Mandate, prophecy around Donald Trump, Paula White-Cain, Lance Wallnau, spiritual warfare, and January 6. The conversation helps listeners understand why Christian nationalism is not one movement, but a spectrum of beliefs and networks competing for power. It is also a warning about what America’s 250th means if Christians try to restore the divine right of kings.

Guest Bio
Matthew D. Taylor, PhD, is a scholar of religion and politics and a visiting scholar at Georgetown University’s Center on Faith and Justice. His work focuses on Christian nationalism, religious extremism, Christian supremacy, American Islam, and the role of religious pluralism in defending democracy. He is the author of Scripture People, The Violent Take It by Force, and the forthcoming Defying Tyrants: Following Jesus in a World of Christian Antichrists. He also created Charismatic Revival Fury, an audio documentary series on the New Apostolic Reformation and the Christian leaders and ideas that helped fuel January 6. His research connects directly to this episode’s focus on Christian imperialism, MAGA Christianity, prophecy, spiritual warfare, and the fight over America’s democratic future.

Book Mentioned
The Violent Take It by Force: The Christian Movement That Is Threatening Our Democracy by Matthew D. Taylor
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9781506497785

Defying Tyrants: Following Jesus in a World of Christian Antichrists by Matthew D. Taylor
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9798341900370

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Matthew D. Taylor Official Website
URL: https://www.drmatthewdtaylor.com/
Support Sarah Stankorb’s work and preorder Damned If She Does: Why Women Quit Church and What It Means for the Future of Religion, Releases September 15, 2026.  Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9798889837091
Website: https://www.sarahstankorb.com/
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What does “Christian nationalism” actually mean, and how can people tell the difference between public faith, patriotism, and a political project built around power? 

Andrew Whitehead and Samuel Perry, two leading sociologists of religion and politics, join Pastor Josh Burtram and Will Wright to explain Christian nationalism as a cultural framework that fuses a particular kind of Christianity with American civic life. They discuss how survey data connects Christian nationalism with attitudes about race, immigration, voting access, authoritarianism, gender, and who really belongs in America. 

The conversation also clarifies why they often use the phrase “white Christian nationalism,” what critics misunderstand or misrepresent, and why public prayer or Christians voting their values is not the same thing as Christian nationalism. This is a practical guide to understanding one of the most important forces shaping American politics, churches, and democracy today.

Guest Bio
Andrew L. Whitehead is a professor of sociology at Indiana University Indianapolis and one of the leading scholars of Christian nationalism in the United States. Samuel L. Perry is the Sam K. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology at the University of Oklahoma. Together, they co-authored Taking America Back for God, one of the most influential empirical studies of Christian nationalism in America. Perry is also the co-author of The Flag and the Cross, and Whitehead is the author of American Idolatry. Their work helps this episode explain Christian nationalism as a measurable social framework connected to race, democracy, religious identity, and political power.

Book Mentioned
Taking America Back for God: Christian Nationalism in the United States by Andrew L. Whitehead and Samuel L. Perry
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9780190057886
Support Sarah Stankorb’s work and preorder Damned If She Does: Why Women Quit Church and What It Means for the Future of Religion, Releases September 15, 2026.  Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9798889837091
Website: https://www.sarahstankorb.com/
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How did Christian music become one of the most powerful forces shaping evangelical identity and politics? 

Leah Payne, professor of American religious history at Portland Seminary and author of God Gave Rock and Roll to You, joins Will Wright and Pastor Josh Burtram to explain why contemporary Christian music is more than a soundtrack. It is a business, a discipleship tool, and a form of cultural power. Payne traces CCM from Pentecostal and revivalist roots to Billy Graham, the Jesus Movement, Amy Grant, DC Talk, purity culture, worship music, and even January 6. 

She argues that music often forms people more deeply than doctrine because it teaches Christians what to fear, what to defend, what feels sacred, and who belongs. This conversation helps listeners see how evangelical politics was shaped not only by sermons, denominations, and elections, but by songs, celebrities, markets, mothers, youth culture, and worship.

Guest Bio
Leah Payne, PhD, is professor of American religious history at Portland Seminary and faculty lead for the Doctor of Ministry in Faith & Cultural Engagement program. Her work focuses on American religion, evangelicalism, Pentecostalism, popular culture, music, media, gender, and politics. She is the author of God Gave Rock and Roll to You: A History of Contemporary Christian Music, published by Oxford University Press, and co-host of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, a Public Radio Exchange podcast about Christian rock and its listeners. In this conversation, Payne helps explain how CCM, worship music, Christian celebrity, purity culture, and evangelical media shaped American religious identity and political life.

Book Mentioned
God Gave Rock and Roll to You: A History of Contemporary Christian Music by Leah Payne
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9780197555248

Relevant Links & Resources
Leah Payne
URL: https://www.drleahpayne.com/
Support Sarah Stankorb’s work and preorder Damned If She Does: Why Women Quit Church and What It Means for the Future of Religion, Releases September 15, 2026.  Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9798889837091
Website: https://www.sarahstankorb.com/
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How did “biblical manhood” become so tied to aggression, politics, and power? 

Kristin Kobes Du Mez, professor of history at Calvin University and author of Jesus and John Wayne, joins Will Wright and Pastor Josh Burtram to explain how white evangelical ideas about masculinity helped shape American Christianity and American politics. Du Mez traces the rise of rugged Christian manhood through culture, Cold War politics, the Religious Right, Ronald Reagan, fear of feminism and secularism, anti-Muslim rhetoric, and the culture war machinery that turns complicated issues into loyalty tests. 

She also connects masculine power to institutional self-protection, including the Southern Baptist Convention’s response to women in leadership and sexual abuse reform. This conversation is not just about men. It is about how gender, theology, fear, capitalism, and political power worked together to shape modern white evangelicalism, and why America’s 250th raises urgent questions about religious liberty and democracy.

Guest Bio
Kristin Kobes Du Mez, PhD, is a historian, New York Times bestselling author, and professor of history at Calvin University. Her work focuses on the intersection of gender, religion, politics, and American evangelicalism. She is the author of Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation, A New Gospel for Women, and the forthcoming Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made. She is also a Senior Democracy Fellow with PRRI. In this conversation, Du Mez helps explain how white evangelical ideas about masculinity, femininity, fear, family, politics, and power shaped the modern church and the country around it.

Book Mentioned
Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation by Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9781631499050

Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made by Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9781324090977

Relevant Links & Resources
Kristin Kobes Du Mez Official Website
URL: https://kristindumez.com/
Support Sarah Stankorb’s work and preorder Damned If She Does: Why Women Quit Church and What It Means for the Future of Religion, Releases September 15, 2026.  Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9798889837091
Website: https://www.sarahstankorb.com/
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Can America tell its religious history honestly without confronting race? 

Jemar Tisby, historian, public scholar, author, and founder of Tisby Media, joins Will Wright for Church and State 250 to explain why race does not “enter” the American story later. It has been there from the beginning. Tisby connects the Declaration of Independence, the Three-Fifths Compromise, slavery, voting rights, segregation, the Black Church, and white Christian nationalism to show how Christianity has been used both to defend racial hierarchy and resist it. 

He explains how churches labeled slavery and race “political” when doing so protected money and power, while still speaking freely on other moral issues. The conversation also highlights how enslaved people heard a liberating gospel despite distorted biblical teaching, and why America’s 250th should be a moment to reclaim patriotism, defend democracy, and work toward a more perfect union.

Guest Bio
Jemar Tisby, PhD, is a historian, New York Times bestselling author, public scholar, and founder and creative director of Tisby Media. His work focuses on race, religion, American history, democracy, and justice. He is the author of The Color of Compromise, How to Fight Racism, and The Spirit of Justice, along with several books for younger readers. He is also the executive producer of Jesus Was a Migrant, a documentary from Tisby Studios. In this conversation, Tisby helps explain how race and religion have been intertwined from America’s founding through slavery, segregation, voting rights, the Black Church, white Christian nationalism, and the ongoing fight for democracy.

Book Mentioned
The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the American Church’s Complicity in Racism by Jemar Tisby
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9780310113607

How to Fight Racism: Courageous Christianity and the Journey Toward Racial Justice by Jemar Tisby
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9780310154358

The Spirit of Justice: True Stories of Faith, Race, and Resistance by Jemar Tisby
Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9780310144854

Relevant Links & Resources
Jemar Tisby Official Website
URL: https://jemartisby.com/

Jesus Was a Migrant
URL: https://jesuswasamigrant.com/
Support Sarah Stankorb’s work and preorder Damned If She Does: Why Women Quit Church and What It Means for the Future of Religion, Releases September 15, 2026.  Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9798889837091
Website: https://www.sarahstankorb.com/
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