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What if the basic way we talk about politics is fundamentally flawed?
In this episode of Faithful Politics, Will Wright and Pastor Josh Burtram sit down with Verlan Lewis, professor of constitutional studies at Utah Valley University and co-author of The Myth of Left and Right: How the Political Spectrum Misleads and Harms America. Lewis argues that the familiar political spectrum dividing society into “left” and “right” oversimplifies political reality and distorts how Americans understand issues, parties, and even each other.
Lewis explains how the left-right framework emerged historically, why it became dominant in modern political discourse, and how it encourages ideological tribalism. Instead of seeing politics as a complex set of issues where people may agree on some topics and disagree on others, the spectrum pushes citizens to sort themselves into rigid teams. According to Lewis, this mindset can reduce intellectual humility, weaken meaningful dialogue, and contribute to the rising hostility in American politics.
The conversation explores how media ecosystems reinforce ideological identities, why political beliefs often cluster together even when they have little logical connection, and how faith communities can offer a different approach to civic engagement. Lewis suggests moving beyond ideological labels and focusing on individual issues, allowing for more thoughtful discussion and collaboration across differences.
For listeners interested in understanding polarization, political identity, and how faith might shape a healthier civic culture, this episode offers a thoughtful examination of the assumptions that structure modern political debate.
The Myth of Left and Right: How the Political Spectrum Misleads and Harms America: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9780197680629
Guest Bio
Verlan Lewis is an associate professor of political science and constitutional studies at Utah Valley University and a fellow at the university’s Center for Constitutional Studies. He is co-author of the book The Myth of Left and Right: How the Political Spectrum Misleads and Harms America, which challenges the idea that modern politics can be accurately u
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What do the numbers actually tell us about Christian nationalism in the United States?
In this episode of Faithful Politics, Will Wright and Pastor Josh Burtram sit down with Melissa Deckman, CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), to walk through the latest national data on Christian nationalism and what researchers are seeing across the country.
Deckman explains how PRRI measures Christian nationalism, why the concept is often misunderstood in public debate, and what the data reveals about who tends to hold these views. The conversation explores how religion, identity, and politics intersect in American life, along with the demographic and cultural patterns researchers are tracking.
They also discuss how survey questions are designed, why some people react strongly to the label “Christian nationalism,” and how researchers try to measure belief systems without reducing complex identities to a single label.
For anyone trying to understand the role of religion in American politics today, this conversation offers a clear look at what the research actually shows. 

Recommended Links and Resources
PRRI – Public Religion Research Institute: https://www.prri.org
Mapping Christian Nationalism Across the 50 States: Insights from PRRI’s 2025 American Values Atlas: https://prri.org/research/mapping-christian-nationalism-across-the-50-states-insights-from-prris-2025-american-values-atlas/
Guest Bio
Melissa Deckman is the CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), one of the nation’s leading research organizations studying the intersection of religion, culture, and politics. She previously served as the Louis L. Goldstein Professor of Public Affairs at Washington College and is a political scientist whose work focuses on religion, gender, and civic engagement in American political life.
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How secure are America’s elections, and what actually happens behind the scenes when votes are cast and counted?

In this episode of Faithful Politics, Will Wright and Josh Burtram sit down with election journalist Jessica Huseman, Editorial Director of VoteBeat, to walk through the real mechanics of the U.S. voting system. The conversation explores the proposed SAVE Act and what it would change about voter registration, why some counties are returning to hand-counting ballots, and the logistical strain election administrators face as redistricting reshapes districts just before key primaries.

Huseman also addresses claims about non-citizen voting, the FBI raid on stored ballots in Fulton County, and how technical systems and local election offices adapt when political decisions force rapid changes. The discussion pulls back the curtain on how elections actually work on the ground, why misinformation spreads so easily, and why the biggest fights over election legitimacy often happen after the ballots are cast. 

Guest Bio:
Jessica Huseman is the Editorial Director at VoteBeat, a nonprofit newsroom dedicated to covering election administration and voting policy across the United States. She is an award-winning investigative journalist who has spent years reporting on how elections are run at the local and state level, focusing on the mechanics of voting systems, election law, and the people responsible for carrying out elections. Huseman previously reported for ProPublica and has become one of the country’s leading journalists covering election infrastructure, misinformation, and voting policy.

Relevant Links:
VoteBeat – https://www.votebeat.org
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What does it mean to call America a “Christian nation”? And has it ever truly been one?
In this episode, we sit down with Matt Avery Sutton, historian and author of Chosen Land, to unpack the long and complicated relationship between Christianity and American public life. From Christopher Columbus and biblical prophecy to premillennialism, evangelical political power, and the modern Supreme Court, Sutton traces the historical through line of Christian influence in the United States. We explore why America became more religious — not less — after disestablishment, how an unofficial Protestant establishment shaped public life, and why separation of church and state did not secularize the country. We also discuss the role of capitalism and corporate funding in shaping both the religious right and the religious left, the theological roots of political activism, and how beliefs about the end times influenced public engagement. 
Finally, we examine three emerging coalitions competing to define America’s future: Christian nationalist conservatives, progressive pluralists who bring faith into the public square, and strict separationists who want religion kept out of politics. This conversation isn’t just about what America was — it’s about what kind of country we want to be moving forward.
Buy - Chosen Land: How Christianity Made America and Americans Remade Christianity https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9781541646339

Guest Bio
Matt Avery Sutton is a distinguished professor and chair of the Department of History at Washington State University. He earned his PhD from the University of California, Santa Barbara, and has received fellowships from the National Endowment for the Humanities.
He is the author of multiple books, including:
Chosen Land
American Apocalypse
His work focuses on the intersection of religion, politics, and American culture, with particular attention to evangelicalism and apocalyptic belief.
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Note: This episode was recorded prior to Tricia McLaughlin announced she was leaving DHS: (read)
Minnesota-based YouTuber and former pastor Pat Kahnke returns to Faithful Politics to discuss federal immigration enforcement, media narratives, and the emotional toll on local communities. He describes how recent operations in the Twin Cities have affected families, churches, and public trust, and how conflicting information shapes national perception. The conversation explores how Christians interpret immigration through scripture, why many congregations are divided, and how political messaging influences public response. We also examine the midterm political implications, the role of media ecosystems, and how to engage friends and neighbors who see the situation differently. This episode focuses on how faith, civic responsibility, and real-time events intersect — and what constructive engagement looks like in a polarized moment.

Guest Bio:
Pat Kahnke is a Minnesota-based commentator, former pastor, and host of the  @culturefaithandpolitics podcast. His work focuses on the intersection of religion, civic life, and public policy, with particular attention to how faith communities respond to political conflict and social change.
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