In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, speaks with Mario Giannini, Executive Co-Chairman and longtime leader of Hamilton Lane, for a candid discussion on the evolving landscape of private markets. Giannini challenges the notion that private equity is “dead,” explaining why fundamentals remain resilient despite recent underperformance and how the long-term value proposition continues to attract institutional investors.
The conversation explores key themes shaping portfolios today including secondaries, infrastructure, and the rise of private credit as well as how artificial intelligence is transforming the private markets ecosystem. Giannini also offers perspective on what insurance investors are asking, the importance of asset allocation over market timing, and how culture and discipline have driven Hamilton Lane’s enduring success.
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Episode 331: Navigating the Future Macroeconomic Challenges and Commercial Real Estate Opportunities
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Erin Patterson, Global Co-head of Research and Strategy at Manulife Investment Management, to explore the intersection of macroeconomic uncertainty and commercial real estate opportunity. Erin shares how Manulife is navigating ongoing volatility, from interest rate shifts to global trade disruptions, and why a resilient, globally diversified strategy remains key for insurance investors.
The conversation covers the "five Ds" shaping their investment lens demographics, deglobalization, decarbonization, digitalization, and democratization and how these trends are influencing everything from market selection to sector prioritization. Erin also dives into the evolving role of alternative real estate, the importance of demographic tracking, and how AI and infrastructure considerations are shaping CRE strategy. Whether you're focused on long-term income or adapting to short-term uncertainty, this episode offers valuable insights into institutional real estate allocation in today’s complex environment.
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Episode 330: Are Private Credit Hyperscalers a Ticking Time Bomb?
Jeffrey Diehl, Managing Partner and Head of Investments at Adams Street Partners, joins the InsuranceAUM.com podcast to explore whether the rapid growth of private credit platforms, particularly BDCs and insurer-owned portfolios, is creating systemic risk or sustainable opportunity.
In this candid conversation with host Stewart Foley, Diehl explains how deployment pressure, the rise of PIK loans, and reduced underwriting discipline could challenge returns in an overheated segment of the market. He also unpacks the scale of capital flowing through these platforms, the structural differences between perpetual BDCs and traditional private credit funds, and what red flags insurance investors should be monitoring.
For anyone allocating to private credit, or evaluating manager selection, this episode offers timely, practical insight into how scaling may impact risk, performance, and long-term portfolio outcomes.
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Episode 329: Lessons Learned from a Reformed Insurance CIO
Mark Rose, Insurance Solutions Specialist at T. Rowe Price and former Chief Investment Officer of Argo Group, joins Stewart Foley for a candid and insightful conversation on the InsuranceAUM.com podcast.
With a background spanning equities, high yield, private credit, and more, Mark shares the lessons learned from over a decade managing insurance portfolios—including the importance of investment committee process, manager selection, and risk governance. He also discusses his transition from CIO to the asset management side, what drew him to T. Rowe Price, and how the firm is evolving its insurance solutions offering.
For insurance investors navigating today’s evolving fixed income landscape, Mark’s perspective offers valuable takeaways on portfolio construction, private asset allocation, and building strong institutional relationships. Whether you’re in the CIO seat or partnering with insurers, this episode offers real-world insight from both sides of the table.
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Episode 328: Beyond the Bank: The Insurance Approach to CRE Loans
David Politano, Managing Director and Head of Debt Strategies for MetLife Investment Management’s Real Estate group, brings more than 30 years of experience to the conversation as he joins the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast. In this episode, he explains how insurance companies’ approach to commercial real estate lending differs from traditional bank and CMBS channels - focusing on long-term, cradle-to-grave loan management with an emphasis on credit quality and relationship-based underwriting.
David walks through the structural advantages of insurer-held CRE debt, performance comparisons post-COVID, and how real estate market dynamics, especially in the office sector, are evolving. He also provides perspectives on pricing trends, global opportunities like Mexico industrial, and what insurers should consider in today's competitive lending environment. Backed by deep institutional knowledge and a client-first investment philosophy, this episode offers valuable context for insurers navigating CRE debt in 2025 and beyond.
Tune in to the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, hosted by Founder and Advisor, Stewart Foley, CFA. Our podcast features insightful conversations with CIOs, asset managers, and other distinguished professionals in the insurance asset management industry. Each episode delves into the latest trends, challenges, and opportunities, providing listeners with valuable perspectives and practical advice. Don’t miss out on these engaging discussions that are essential for insurance investors and asset managers.
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