The Pomp Podcast

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down why bitcoin keeps holding up through bad news, whether Wall Street FOMO is coming for crypto, and how consumer AI agents are reshaping markets. We also discuss BlackRock's AI and crypto paper, Visa and Mastercard, compute, tokenization, and the bitcoin outlook for the next six months.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.
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0:00 - Intro
0:56 - Why bitcoin & crypto are holding up so well
3:43 - Wall Street FOMO & why Visa/Mastercard get disrupted
7:20 - Bitcoin’s iPhone moment
15:04 - AI agent memory & the consumer agent race
23:13 - What happens when a competitor blocks AI agents?
25:05 - BlackRock's AI & crypto paper
30:36 - Will consumer agents move Meta & Mag 7 stocks?
35:14 - AI breakthroughs & jobs
43:45 - Bitcoin outlook for the next 6 months

Darius Dale is the founder and CEO of 42 Macro. In this conversation, we break down whether Scott Bessent is bluffing the bond market, why stocks keep hitting highs, and why balancing the budget may be impossible. We also discuss the K-shaped economy, AI, bitcoin, and America's political realignment.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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New description for Lava with a clickable url: Lava is a global platform for bitcoin financial services. Spend with Lava Card and earn up to 5% back in bitcoin with every purchase— all with no annual fee, no FX fees, and zero spread. Plus you can borrow against your bitcoin at the lowest rates, earn yield on cash, and move fiat or stablecoins globally. Get started at https://www.lava.xyz/POMP
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Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/pomp
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0:00 - Intro
0:47 - Is Scott Bessent bluffing the bond market?
7:34 - Druckenmiller's op-ed & Bessent's playbook
13:13 - Why stocks & bitcoin are near all-time highs
16:42 - Why balancing the budget is impossible & the impact 
24:30 - Housing, young vs old & the lock-in effect
28:02 - Cut, grow, or print?
32:12 - How AI & bitcoin can level the playing field
36:15 - Social mobility & keeping up with the Joneses
39:00 - America's political realignment & future outlook
49:45 - Power, politics & the path forward

Chris Kelly is a co-owner of the Sacramento Kings, founder of Kelly Investments, and a former Facebook executive. In this conversation, we break down why he owns bitcoin, how sports teams and bitcoin both work as scarce assets, Meta's big AI bets, and where AI and crypto are converging. We also discuss Sports One, his new venture bringing minority sports team stakes to the public markets.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.
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0:00 - Intro
1:08 - Why Chris owns bitcoin
2:10 - Bitcoin vs sports teams as scarce assets
5:53 - Inside the Kings arena (tech, data center & ETH mining)
10:07 - Meta's AI spending & falling token costs
14:59 - OpenAI vs Anthropic & AI bubble risk
16:48 - Interest rates & the Fed
18:40 - Open source AI & Meta's strategy
22:05 - Investing across the AI stack & blockchain
25:34 - AI & crypto convergence 
34:20 - Sports One: democratizing team ownership
41:01 - Equity vs token
44:00 - How sports & markets are changing

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down why bitcoin and stocks refused to crash even as the Fed hiked rates, why AI agents are now driving crypto's next leg higher, and why the real "AI bubble" lives inside just two companies. We also get into Andrew Yang's bombshell AI lab claims and why Jordi remains a bitcoin maxi for the next 30 years.
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Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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New description for Lava with a clickable url: Lava is a global platform for bitcoin financial services. Spend with Lava Card and earn up to 5% back in bitcoin with every purchase— all with no annual fee, no FX fees, and zero spread. Plus you can borrow against your bitcoin at the lowest rates, earn yield on cash, and move fiat or stablecoins globally. Get started at https://www.lava.xyz/POMP
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TOKEN2049 returns to Singapore on October 7–8 at Marina Bay Sands. The world's largest crypto event. 25,000 attendees, 300 speakers, 1,000 side events and the whole industry in one place for two days, into the F1 weekend. Get 10% off your ticket with code POMP10 at https://token2049.com/singapore
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0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Why bitcoin & stocks didn't crash when the Fed hiked rates
4:44 - The liquidity cycle is broken (there are no more recessions)
14:34- AI agents solve impossible problems & what it means for the future 
23:18 - Andrew Yang's AI lab bombshell claim
33:21 - Instinct AI & the rise of agent-run personal assistants
40:10 - Recursive self-improvement: AI outpacing human comprehension
43:22- Why Jordi is a bitcoin maxi for the next 30 years
48:06 - Bitcoin vs altcoins: are AI agents the new demand source?
55:54 - What would make Jordi change his mind?
1:02:33 - Bitcoin breaks back above $80,000 & Jordi launches his crypto research

Jay Jacobs is the US Head of Equity ETFs at BlackRock. In this conversation, we break down the real impact of the bitcoin ETFs on adoption, why bitcoin's volatility has compressed, and how institutions and everyday investors are approaching digital assets today. We also dig into AI as a macro market force, the entire AI value chain from power to chips to data centers, and where the ETF industry goes from here.

Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates investment strategies across Stocks, Commodities, ETFs and Crypto. Whether you’re rotating into AI & Gold, allocating to the S&P 500, or accumulating Bitcoin, Arch Public executes your plan 24/7 without ever taking custody of your assets or funds. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com, and start your FREE automated trading strategy!
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Lava is a global platform for bitcoin financial services. Spend with Lava Card and earn up to 5% back in bitcoin with every purchase— all with no annual fee, no FX fees, and zero spread. Plus you can borrow against your bitcoin at the lowest rates, earn yield on cash, and move fiat or stablecoins globally. Get started at lava.xyz/POMP
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TOKEN2049 returns to Singapore on October 7–8 at Marina Bay Sands. The world's largest crypto event. 25,000 attendees, 300 speakers, 1,000 side events and the whole industry in one place for two days, into the F1 weekend. Get 10% off your ticket with code POMP10 at https://token2049.com/singapore
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Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/pomp
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0:00 - Intro
1:11 - Bitcoin ETF's real impact on adoption
3:18 - Why bitcoin's volatility has compressed
6:57 - BlackRock's bitcoin & crypto product strategy
9:13 - In-kind redemptions & borrowing against bitcoin
11:18 - AI as a macro factor & the AI value chain
22:36 - Active vs. passive investing in AI & crypto
26:29 - The rise of independent investors
28:13 - ETFs vs. mutual funds
32:05 - Inside BlackRock's ETF playbook 
41:43 - Long-term investing & the generational shift in bitcoin and AI