Conversations

• A former army psychologist on ketamine therapy, PTSD and her surrogate twins

  Louise O'Sullivan spent 10 years with the ADF, including deployments with the Special Forces in Afghanistan which eventually left her with PTSD, but a bigger battle lay ahead, the fight to save her premature twins.After leaving the military, Louise wanted to begin a family but cancer treatment had left her unable to carry her own children so she found a surrogate in Ukraine.But when her twins were born prematurely, she spent months living and caring for them in a Ukranian hospital.Eventually Louise had to begin her own process of healing, which included a life changing course of ketamine therapy.Further InformationThe episode of Conversations was produced by Jen Leake and the Executive Producer was Nicola Harrison.It covers topics including psychology, trauma, Australian Defence Force, Afghanistan, women in the military, army training, physical and mental endurance, helicopter crash, fatalities, injury, ripping out, trauma response, PTSD, cervical cancer, chemotherapy, radiation, hysterectomy, international surrogacy, premature babies, health care in Ukraine, divorces, EMDR, ketamine therapyTo binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.

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• Dad, Bob Marley and me

  After the death of her father, a spiritual moment with the life-size wooden statue of Bob at Nine Mile convinced queer rapper, Jamaica Moana that everything would be alright.Jamaica was born to the music of Bob Marley on the Central Coast of NSW.Her dad loved Bob’s music more than anything else and would listen incessantly on his interstate truck driving routes.Jamaica was the beloved baby of six children, growing up in a Maori-Samoan family in the outer suburbs of Auckland.When the family moved to Campbelltown in Western Sydney, Jamaica began to express her queer identity through the dance troupe The Pioneers.Jamaica’s father rejected this new version of her, so different from the son he knew, and they became estranged. When he became seriously ill years later, Jamaica moved home to care for him and the pair renewed their relationship, staying close until his death.With her brother, she eventually made a pilgrimage to Bob Marley's home town as a tribute to their father.Deep in grief, it was a spiritual experience with a life-size statue of Bob at Nine Mile that convinced Jamaica everything would be alright.Further informationJamaica Moana's debut EP is Bud & Deni. This episode of Conversations was produced by Alice Moldovan. The Executive Producer was Nicola Harrison.It covers topics including rap, dance, Hokianga Harbour, Maori, South Auckland, Papakura, Western Sydney, authentic, authenticity, queer, trans, parental estrangement, father daughter relationship, carer, caring for parent, Nicki Minaj, ballroom, duckwalk, west ball, safe space, rupture and repair and community.To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.

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• How a pair of disobedient missionaries invented Australia's most iconic road trip

  Tens of thousands of 'van lifers' and 'grey nomads' drive around Australia each year. But the iconic road trip has a surprising origin story involving a pair of missionaries, a retired butcher and a gun-slinging mother-daughter duo.David Riley is a pastor and father who was on a lap around Australia with his wife and three children when he heard about the surprising origin story of this great road trip.In 1925, two young men set off from Perth to Darwin in a tiny French car nicknamed 'Bubsie'.They were running an errand for their Church – instructed to set up a Seventh-Day Adventist Missionary outpost in the Northern Territory, then to turn around and come back home.Nevill Westwood and Greg Davies battled flat tires, evil cows, losing their way, leaky fuel tanks, dangerous river crossings and a falling out along the way.With the help of First Nations people and station owners they met along the way, they made it to Darwin.But when they got to Darwin, they just kept going, entering into a race with a retired butcher and a gun-slinging mother-daughter duo to become the first vehicle to circumnavigate Australia.For David, researching and writing the story down became a powerful way to preserve the memories of his own family's lap around Australia, after receiving terrible news.Bubsie and The Boys: The First Journey Around Australia by Car is published by SIGNS.Early next year, Bubsie's sister car, a 102-year-old Citroën, will drive around Australia for the 100th anniversary of the original journey. The trip will be raising money for Canteen and Brain Child. Information about the trip will be online early next year.This episode of Conversations was produced by Meggie Morris, executive producer is Nicola Harrison.It explores travel, road trips, Australian history, modern history, motoring history, great global road trips, grey nomads, caravanning, van life, historical records, religion, church, cancer, losing a daughter, brain cancer, grief, driving, driving Western Australia, madman's track, white history, black history.

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• Encore: How Johnathan Thurston became one of the greats

  Despite being a stand-out young player, many NRL clubs initially rejected Johnathan Thurston because they thought he was too small and wiry but he went on to become one of the best rugby league players of all time.Johnathan showed his rare talent for rugby league early on but his parents didn't have the money to help him travel to games.So in his late teens, Johnathan moved to Toowoomba to get a start in rugby league, while working part-time in the butcher’s section of a supermarket.When Johnathan moved to Sydney at 18 to try his luck with the Cantebury Bulldogs, he began to get noticed and by the time he retired in 2018, had won a record 4 Daly M medals. Johnathan Thurston The Autobiography (with James Phelps) is published by Harper Collins.This episode of Conversations was produced by Nicola Harrison, the Executive Producer was Pam O'Brien.It explores the career of Johnathan Thurston, the NRL, rugby league, sporting talent, growing up in Brisbane, working part time jobs, alcohol, scholarships, NRL clubs, the Canterbury Bulldogs, North Queensland Cowboys, State of Origin, Queensland, Daly M medal, NRL Grand Final,  Queensland Maroons, indigenous Australian, Maori heritage, goal kicker, housing commission, Toowoomba, Indigenous All Star, GOAT To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.

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• How Aunty Rhonda learnt to cry

  Artist, author and Stolen Generations survivor, Rhonda Collard-Spratt, on bush hugs, beehives, emu bumps, and finding peace.Aunty Rhonda Collard-Spratt is a Yamatji-Noongar elder and Stolen Generations survivor who grew up on the Carnarvon Native Mission in Western Australia.As a little girl she would escape from her dormitory into the bush to feel the love and warmth she was missing from her mum.After leaving the mission as a teenager, Rhonda trained as a hairdresser, creating some of the best beehives in Perth.Later in life, she managed to reconnect with her mum and formed a surprising bond with her English stepfather, through music.Rhonda Collard-Spratt's memoir, Alice’s Daughter: Lost Mission Child, was written with Jacki Ferro and published by Aboriginal Studies Press.You can find her children's book series, Spirit of the Dreaming, online in both print and audiobook formats.This episode of Conversations was produced by Meggie Morris, executive producer is Nicola Harrison.It explores Aboriginal Australia, black history, colonisation, segregation, assimilation, religion, Christianity, the Native Act, reckoning with Australia's history, the Voice, racism, Indigenous suicide, mental health, medical neglect, art, motherhood, writing, books, memoir, modern Australia, Ipswich, Churches of Christ, Aborigines Mission Board.

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