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Martin Kleppmann, Associate Professor at the University of Cambridge and author of the best-selling O'Reilly book Designing Data-Intensive Applications, talks to host Adi Narayan about local-first collaboration software. They discuss what the term means, how it leads to simpler application architectures compared to the cloud-first model, and the benefits to developers and users from keeping all of their data on their own devices.  Martin goes into detail about how applications can synchronize data with and without a server, as well as conflict-resolution techniques, and the open-source library Automerge, which implements CRDTs and developers can use out-of-the-box. He also clarifies what kinds of applications would be suitable for the local-first approach. In the context of AI, they discuss vibe coding, local-first apps, and how the conflict-resolution work that enables data to be synchronized between users can also work with human-AI collaboration.

Sahaj Garg, co-founder and CTO of Wispr, a voice-to-text AI that turns speech into polished writing, talks with host Amey Ambade about designing systems for the ambiguity that's inherent in human input (text, voice, multimodal). Sahaj focuses on concrete architectural and training strategies for building robust AI systems. This episode examines the problem of ambiguity, where it shows up, building robust systems, personalization, communicating uncertainty, and evaluation. The conversation starts by exploring the difference between inherent and reducible ambiguity, major categories of ambiguity including lexical, syntactic, and pragmatic, and the additional sources of ambiguity in voice, such as homophones and accents. Garg details how to build systems through model training, including providing additional context and constructing datasets for good annotation. They discuss personalization with a focus on "revealed preferences"—learning from user behavior without explicit feedback—and fighting the problem of AI writing that "regresses to the mean." Finally, they consider how to communicate uncertainty to users without degrading the experience, as well as methods for evaluating ambiguity resolution through offline and online signals.

Costa Alexoglou, co-founder of the open source Hopp pair-programming application, talks with host Brijesh Ammanath about remote pair programming. They start with a quick introduction to pair programming and its importance to software development before discussing the various problems with the current toolset available and the challenges that tool developers face for enabling pair programming. They consider the key features necessary for a good pair-programming tool, and then Costa describes the journey of building Hopp and the challenges faced while building it.

Héctor Ramón Jiménez, creator of iced, an Elm-inspired, cross-platform GUI toolkit for Rust, speaks with SE Radio host Gavin Henry about building a GUI library in Rust. Héctor discusses why he created iced, what was needed, the process required to paint on the screen across different operating systems, how multi-operating systems are handled, and what the iced testing ecosystem is like. This episode explores the Elm architecture, how iced compares to other frameworks, what the core components of iced are, Elements, asynchronous functions, state, threads, 3d rendering, headless mode testing, end-to-end testing, test recorders, runtime emulators, ice test syntax, example apps, tiny-skia, DirectX, Vulkan, Metal, winit, wgpu, egui, tauri, comet, and why Android and iOS support is hard.

Dan Lorenc, co-founder and CEO of Chainguard, joins host Priyanka Raghavan to explore Sigstore and its role in securing the software supply chain. They unpack the challenges of supply chain security, including verifying the origin and integrity of software artifacts, and explain the problems Sigstore is designed to solve. The conversation goes under the hood to examine how Sigstore works, covering key components such as code signing, verification, the certificate authority model, and transparency logs—often compared conceptually to blockchain for their auditability. The episode also highlights real-world adoption, community resources for getting started, and closes with a discussion of Chainguard Images and how development teams can use them to build with more secure base images.
This episode is sponsored by IEEE Computer Society.